Kirovets and Kharkov

[Debby]

We here at Belarus Tractor Int'l. Inc. were surprised to see the old 7100 and 1770 models posted on your web site. The big yellow tractor (7100) is indeed from Kirovets plant in St. Petersburg and the light blue 1770 is from the Kharkov plant in Ukraine. We have not imported either model into the U.S. for a number of years as the market was limited but they are still popular in the Prairie Provinces of Canada. None of these factories currently meets emission standards for the U.S. market and we could not import them under any circumstances.

[eppie]

Sorry, but that's bullsh*t.

The Kirovets K-745 with Deutz BFM1015 engine certainly meets the emission standards.

However i can imagine that you dont want to take it through all legislation and country rules, for a small sales number.


By the way, Kirovets 7100, the 7100 must be the export name ?? Originally its a K-700 or K-701

[Debby]

Let me clarify. The engines need to be certified by the EPA in order to bring them in. The only factory in FSU that has gone through the certification process to our knowledge is MTZ. Without that certification, nothing comes in and it will keep getting more stringent each year.

We sold the Kirovets under many names 7100, 7010 and K701, all were slightly different versions. We did not sell them as loader tractors either as the photo shows.

I was in St. Petersburg last summer and our driver took us past one of the tractor plants. It was completely shut down but I was never able to determine which plant it was.

[Xerion]

Debby
I think the k-700 A with the loader was labled as a K-702 MBA UDM or universal road machine and I think the photo´s were taken in the UK but will stand corrected on both points .
we have two 745 ´s in our area (Germany ) and I thought the european imission standards are much stringent than those in the US or is this just a political thing to keep the USA JD green

[kenjar]

Hi Debby,

Are there any plans to import more models to the US? I am thinking of the newer models from Minsk.

Renze,

Yes I think the Deutz and MB powered Kirovets would meet current emision standards. Just have to go through the testing procedures to do so.

Xerion,

I think the US and EU are following similiar rules when it comes to emissions.
At one time the green goat was chasing the red and blue artics, not sure which brand sells the most in that segment now.

[eppie]

So my as-sumption was right ?? It's the load of paperwork that scares you off, not the emissions itself ??

Hey, try to type "my a-s-s-u-m-p-t-i-o-n" : dirty words detector makes it: my assumption

[Woodbeef]

Ahhhh Renze,

Me thinks you missed Debby's point about certification. As you well know Belarus does not actually own any of these factories,they only are marketers of the tractors under their name. It's the actual factory that needs to certify on their end not the seller's.

[pudding]

hey debby,

i personally would like to welcome you here.

i hope you register and become a regular poster, these forums, can serve as cheap research and good places to start an idea, i understand if you work for a machinery company, often you are not allowed to say much, but i do encourage contribution!

i have followed belarus with great interest, but never driven one, or seen a big kirovets close up

i am orginally from New Zealand and am working in kentucky america,

i thought the deutz engine thing was a non factory item, ie a conversion by a importer?.........but obviously i was wrong

there was a k-700 sitting in a scrap yard here in kentucky for a while, no one was too shore what to think of it, i think it was a low hour machine, broke, unable to fix, became a block of steel........kinda sad, because i was asking round about it, and my boss went by the junk yard one day only to find it gone.

interestingly my boss has farmed in russia, and seen a lot!............believe me, he took a concord seeder and CIH9370 over, and in seeding trials, the local russian planter (copy of a IH?) did a better job then the concord, this was comparing a wore out disc opener box drill to a new coulter style airseeder......lol

what can you tell us about the new tractors with the JD engines?.........they are selling belarus with carraro front axles now in NZ, but i can't wait to see the 'new' generation

pudding

www.puddingsworld.com

[Woodbeef]

Hey Debby,

I agree with the Kiwi..........register and stick around for awhile!!

[Debby T]

Thanks for the kind invitation and yes, I just registered. I am also going to ask our service manager, Ray to join as he has far more technical expertise than I. He has been with Belarus for 15+ years and prior to that, with Allis Chalmers when they had their plant and headquarters here in Milwaukee.

We are currently dealing exclusively with the Minsk Tractor Plant and bringing in the 6000, 8000 and 9000 series. Our Canadian division has no restrictions on what they can bring in and covers the full range of offerings from Minsk. By fall we should be adding the 1221 model (120 HP) as it has the EPA certification.

I have seen many of you on other discussion boards and only found this group recently. Thanks again for the kind invitation!

[Woodbeef]

Hey Debby,

Welcome aboard!!!

[New Hollander]

Hello Debby,

I have some questions for you. In the USSR times the sales of tractors from the USSR went through the Motokov organisation. Does this company still exist and does it own the brandname Belarus? Who is now the owner of Belarus Tractor International? Is the Minsk tractor factory still 100% state owned?

Greetings from Holland,

New Hollander

[eppie]

Ehh. New Hollander, Motokov ruled the sales in the CSSR, the Czecho-slovak republic. Not the USSR, i thought...

[Debby T]

Belarus Tractor Int'l is owned by a group of investors based in Illinois. To the best of our knowledge, the name Belarus, since it is the name of the country as well as the tractors, cannot be trademarked. We have registered the logo, a shield with a stylized tractor, as a registered trademark. Motocov (Motokov) is a European company and to my knowledge, has no affiliation with us in the U.S. As for the onwership of the plant, as far as we know, it is state owned. We have an excellent working relationship with them and they have been pretty responsive to our questions and requests for assistance when needed.

The new axles are only installed on the 8000 and 9000 series tractors and are manufactured in Minsk. They aren't Carrarro. As for the engines, they too are all made in Minsk. We have never seen engines from John Deere although we saw literature touting it. I don't think it ever materialized.

Yes, the EPA certification is a huge paper chase and involves many hours of work on the factory's part. Must have the i's dotted and the t's crossed!

[kenjar]

There are some pictures and specs of prior Belarus models at the US and Canadian sites.
www.belarus.com/Tractors.htm
www.belarus.ca/legacy/legacyta.htm


I did not realize there were that many different models sold in N America.