well, we have just bought a cirrus amazone drill which we will have to pull on our Fendt 926 due to some of the hills we have arounds us! Now we find ourself in the position that our Fendt 818 will manage our 7 furrow Rabe plough well on level ground but not as well as we would like on the hills. We used to pull the plough on the 926. What we dont want to do is buy another high horse power tractor. So it is easier to change the plough to a lighter model. Unfortuntaly we have to discount Rabe. The options are Kverneland or Overum What we require is a 6/7/8 furrow plough that the 818 can handel on the hills. We plough 18" furrows. Kverneland say our tractor will pull an 8 furrow PB plough. Have any of you used this plough what you think? Also I dont like the wagon ploughs ( two wheels) Our Rabe has the wheel on the fifth furrow. Which ploughs are easier to pull the wheel near the back or fully at the back?
I have seen a local contractor with his bend in middle KV pulling 7 furrows with a JD 6910 in pretty challenging ground. However it normally has a 7810 deere out front. These ploughs are beginimg to come up at fairly steady money so might be worth a chance second hand and hold on to the RABE
I lie Overum (Överum) myself, having always used it myself and usually being dissapointed at Kverneland when they run demos nearby (I just don't see the same quality in the red machines...). I am a big beliver in the idea of hydraulic adjustable rock/stone protection as opposed to leaf-springs.
8 furrows at 18" with with a 818 on hills? OK, if that's possible Kverneland is doing something VERY right. Sounds a little to good to be true unless you have extremely light soils and level fields. I'd go for 6 furrows and use a packer/furrowcracker etc. and go fast. In a wet year you'll be better of with the extra tractor capacity.
Guest, I dont use furrow packers on the plough as I use a ring roller witha grubber after ploughing! Thing is I have to have a plough that wont let my seed hungry driver go to fast either. Its hard to get( dad) the staff these days! The only overum plough I have used was a 7 furrow wagon plough.
There are a couple of sh overum six-furrows for sale north of dublin but spoke to farmer up there with one on Vario 818 asnd it is struggling to pull his six-furrow overum as it lacks weight. Dont overlook the Besson as they are up and coming. Kuhn is also worth pricing and sell about 200 ploughs in the UK of a market that totals 800 machines. We have just bought a 6+1 lemken semi-mounted with the spring auto-reset after overum and besson delaers failed to come back with a price. But why did you buy such a big drill why not get something to go behind the 818 it would surely handle 4m. Regards Mervyn Bailey
There are 200hp tractors pulling 4m vaderstads and the Amazone should be easier as it doesnt have that big tyre press just individual depth wheels. Are you doing anything in between ploughing and drilling to firm the seedbed and putting big enough tyres on 818 it should be capable of pulling it in my opinion although it may not be ontop of the job. Has the front mounted hopper become a real problem in your area then?
We pull a cross ring roller over it before we drill! maybe the 818 will cope but at least I have the 926, thing is I have only seen the cirrus for a short while in tullow! Lets say with the hopper we were told it would be better to change!
Had the Overum rep here today! He said there has been a swing away from Hydraulic Furrow wideing, is this the case in Europe? I didnt realise that Overum didnt have this option on their ploughs! Whats you prefered option?
Reading the above post has raised a few queries. In NZ we have trouble with semi mounted ploughs not following the contours very well, even just on little rises, so we are limited to fully mounted ploughs, and a good tractor on the front as a ballast. Had a drive with a Lemken Rubin 300 a few months ago, rose the front of a Same Silver 130 with weights, and the front tires filled with water. It was heavy. Do you plough in furrow or on land. We have trouble obtaining ploughs that allow you to plough on land. We plough on land because it is much safer than in the furrow. I think that there maybe a shift towards discing over here, because with ploughing constantly (twice year) the soils structure is starting to break down, and having trouble with soil sticking to the Plastic boards of the ploughs
On hills a plough requires 35-40hp per furrow to make it work well. On flat land its 25hp per furrow. Why dont you buy a fully mounted 5 furrow vari width with the option of adding a 6th furrow if required. There's quite a few guys around here that had bigger semi mounted ploughs and have gone back to mounted ploughs for easier use.
The overum rep would say that hydraulic vari width is out of fashion because they dont make one. To be honest ploughs in general are a bit out of fashion, so if I was buying one I'd make sure what I bought had everything on it to maintain some sort of value. That means a vari width KV as they alway make decent money at sales.
Jas We plough in the furrow, or I should say my dad does, we have looked at ploughing on the land, but to resell the plough in Ireland would be difficult. We actually find that the semi mounted plough does better work on contours then the fully mounted! The problem with fully mounted we had was that the plough was pulling the tractor sideways to much!
lee Fully mounted five furrow would be ok, but a sixth furrow i think would put to much pressure on a tractor espically when turning over! One farmer not to far from here was breaking the lift arms of his deutz with the Kv six furrow plough!
To be honest i dont think we will get a good enough value on our trade in. Oh well I suppose i better wait to get the quote!