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Post by gt5 on Mar 26, 2008 13:38:16 GMT 1
I know the china tractors are not the best, but what company do you think make the best tractors, and why. would you ever own one?
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Post by Bernhard on Mar 26, 2008 19:09:22 GMT 1
Hard to say, how many companies are making tractors in PRC. It may be 2 or 3.
I have seen the chinese tractors at Hannover and was not very impressed. They are cheap, look cheap.
If I had to choose an Agtractor, I rather would buy a used one, wellknown brand which includes Belarus (if, then new) or Zetor, which aren´t really offered around here.
A lot of Guys tell me to stay away from this chinese junk, experience with some small motorized tools make me know that they are right, but the other side of the medal: If I had to buy a small tractor for gardening or orchard use and didn´t have the money for a new narrow wheeled kubota or Iseki, I would think about directimport of a chinese tractor in size of an old Kubot B 7100.
They are awfully cheap, but not to complicated, so you can do repairs by yourself.
First choice would be a Xingtai or Dongfeng (oldest chinese tractor brand) maybe Thaishan or Luzhong, which seems to be the same tractor
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Post by ReidyNZ on Mar 27, 2008 12:48:28 GMT 1
Not at all impressed with anything I have currently seen.
Went to a presentation about 10yr ago (yes know it was a while ago) by Company planing to Import tractors from PRC. We were told that there were many ( up to 5 IIRC) tractor manufacturers per PR0VINCE, so many to choose from. They had 3 models there 20/50/70 hp - all different manufacturers that they were intending to market under 1 brand name !! They never went ahead. Imagine the parts nightmare (if they were supplying any)
Maybe a comment from one of the other invited guests assisted this decision - question "what do you think is the future for these tractors in NZ" after a view/ride/drive session. Answer from the back of room "send them back"!!
Another large importer did bring PRC tractors to NZ - again I believe from several different manufacturers - modified/painted and marketed under "Redstar" brand name - did not do for long and had trouble offloading stock.
I was one of the non-franchised dealers offered tractors (at wholesale) to onsell - these tractors had to be moved - they were rusting on the lot !! ( I did not take up their very generous offer)
I have no doubt that one day we will see some quality tractors from PRC - after all they can make not bad Lathe's for example - but so far I wouldn't touch any.
My opinion anyway
Cheers
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Post by kevanos on Mar 27, 2008 14:55:04 GMT 1
There are supposedly at least 50 tractor manufacturers in China; however, several use similar, or the same, designs. With John Deere, Mahindra and CNH all involved in joint ventures there, I would expect quality to keep rising. And it has risen dramatically over the last few years.
I would say that from what I've seen here in the USA, Foton/Lovol and Jinma would be two of the best brands to own in terms of service, parts and quality. I would expect Benye's quality to rise since JD has bought them, but I haven't seen too many around over the years; I wonder what JD's plans are for them...
DongFangHong/YTO appears to be decent, and many are based on older Fiat designs, but again, if there isn't support/parts for the tractors, I'd stay away from them.
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Post by Bernhard on Mar 27, 2008 21:32:05 GMT 1
Kevanos, take a look at my posting above. China hasn´t 50 manufacturers. Salesperson in PRC, which is distributing tractors told me the number of manufacturers, I have posted .
I have stated about 2-3...seems they are 5.
Foton, Jinma, Dongfeng, Xingtai...maybe Benye.
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Post by kevanos on Mar 27, 2008 22:15:51 GMT 1
There are at "least" 50 factories churning out tractors. Some or most are partially owned by the government. Foton/Lovol, DongFangHong/YTO, Jinma (by several different mfgs), Xingtai, Kama, Benye (now owned by John Deere), Jiangling/FengShou (owned by Mahindra), DongFeng, Changfa, Enfly (Shandong Enfly), Harbin New Holland (j.v. with NH), John Deere Tiantuo (JDT, j.v. w/JD), TaiShan, Juling, Laotuo, Luzhong, Shandong Juli, Shanghai-New Holland (j.v. w/NH), Shenniu, Shifeng, WeiFang, Weituo, Wuzheng, Zhongtuo, Zhongyuan... there are several distribution companies that put their own name on tractors, and there are others that I'm not sure of the parent company, but that's 25 there. Just of companies that are j.v. or owned by multi-national companies total 5. (Benye, JDT, Jiangling/Fengshou, SNH, and Harbin-NH). Check out the list and links I've edited on wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tractor_manufacturersIt's not broken down by country, but you can tell pretty much which are Chinese. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tractors_built_by_other_companies lists tractors sold under different names than the company that builds them. |
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Post by adamL on Mar 28, 2008 20:04:42 GMT 1
are the tractors not really meant to be used the way a western farmer uses them (if that is any different) or are they just low quality?
Are the chinese buying them because they are cheap and all that is on offer or are they easier to fix. I guess having a nice western tractor is fine, but if you can't get the parts you might as well have a unreliable chinese one you can fix.
Does anyone import secondhand western tractors into china like they are doing into the former eastern block? China is mind bogglingly big though...
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Post by Bernhard on Mar 29, 2008 7:27:19 GMT 1
I´m asking myself the question, which of their tractors is only for export and which are used in china.
JD told me, that he has a buddy which stayed in PRC a few years. His saying was, that the agriculture is totally underdeveloped.
My thought is, that they mainly use walkbehinds and the small beltdriven types. It is hard to imagine, but I guess that 80 % of the tractors are only for Export.
Pudding has written at an other side, that he knews about 2 Same with 150+ hp running in China, if there is any other Importers? Maybe Kevanos knows.
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Post by Red Painter on Mar 31, 2008 0:32:21 GMT 1
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Post by New Hollander on Apr 15, 2008 22:59:42 GMT 1
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