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[New Hollander]

NH SNH1304, looks to be based on the TS115, but could be wrong.

The TS is still in production in Brazil and Mexico, with the NEF engine but with different looks, now called TS6000 series:


New Hollander

[eppie]

so instead of fighting against cheap Chinese Foton copies, NH is now building tractors in China in the same price class themself

It will at least give them more control over what their name is put to, than having Chines copycats around.

[Bernhard]

If the Foton/Kama or whatever their name is, only would be copies, built without NH Permission, they would dissapear from Export market, as fast as they have shown up.

I would state that these tractors are Ford/NH licensed. About the quality of them better to say nothing. ;D

[eppie]

Bernhard, do you hear a lot about these Foton/Kama tractors ?
They do sell them in Holland, as Europard tractors, but i dont hear anything about them, neither good nor bad.
My neighbour thought about one, but when i told him i read bad reviews on tractorbynet about Foton front axles when using front loaders, he changed his mind and bought a Kioti CK 20

At the tractorbynet board there is a Foton/Kama flock, but off course these are mostly weekend warriors, that dont make serious hours on these machines nor put them to heavy work.

[Bernhard]

ZJ from Croatia reported about 2 years ago, that they have been shown at an agmachinery exhibition in HR, a few have been sold.

Here and in Poland I haven´t seen a Foton or a Kama Agtractor.
Few kilometers away from here there a horseoid has bought a Jinma, but I only have seen it dead in the shed.

The Jinma is very expensive compared to the US. They ask appr. 12.000€ for a 254 where the US people have to pay 8000 US$.

[pudding as guest]

bout to say that last one is got a carraro front axle under it, so wondering if it was the mexican sourced one.......with the 7.5, downrated 100hp genesis motor

like the mexican 7810

that chinese one.........the exhaust manifold is on the left..........wonder if its go the motor like the JXu........

CNH has a good mid range dualpower box that used in the TM classic........which came from the winner F series, wonder if 1304 means 130hp 4wd......

[guest]

Your a nh fan arent you, seems like most people bash the nh, as being problematic tractors. in your opion what is nh best transmission and tractor model in the 100 to 150 present and older models. nothing wrong like a tractor brand, but is not fashionable if its not jd.

[Bernhard]

I would rate Pudding as Same Fan. Anyways, in my eyes JD is the most overrated brand, heaven knows why.

Good reliable Fords have been the ones builded after 1970, 4000, 5000 etc. A lot of them still around, we only have owned a Dexta and a 3000 Super Dexta.

On the other side it is hard for me to rate a brand of these years, which made unreliable tractors.

[pudding as guest]

i like most things that don't have yellow wheels bern lol

the range command that NH put in the 60 series and TM and also the MXM, was a good trans. people will disagree with me, the local MXM's here, the CIH dealer here found a bad batch and i think there was a recall. where clutch packs were replaced by the factory. the modification was fitting clutch packs found on the older 60 series, it seems they had a bad supplier, or batch, they also had a bad batch of hydraulic problems built on a certain year

i spent a lot of time in the 60 series, and liked the range command, they key to there long life was slowing to change directions, and when you shift ranges, do not shift under load,

the full powershift found on the last TM's and MXM has been good to farmers, one of my customers have a MXM175 and he loves it, it has been trouble free, the CIH dealer installed a large buzzer to the hand brake, so he doesn't drive with the handbrake on (this is what cost him on his last tractor)

i liked the NH8560 it was a good machine

also another good ford trans is the small genesis, people say the 8670 was a heavy tractor, but lots of them have done over 10000hours now with not many problems, you cannot argue with that.

there are also a lot of ford ts115 here doing 140hp or more, they seem to be holding together,

lot of the time the tractor is only as good as the operator )........like the secondhand tractor is only as good as its previous owner

;D

[adamL]

is there much 10 Series DNA left lurking at CNH? There were some 10 Series based tractors in South America a couple of years ago were there not with modern engines in them?

[pudding]

ya adam.......they were sold in north america too

i local dealer where i worked in kentucky sold a bunch of them

the 6610 and 7810s?

i do have a brochure somewhere in my collection on them, they offered a low profile 7810 for operating sprayers in orchards too (fans require hp)

i am sure the 7810 was the 7.5l engine, set to 100hp (didn't think it was the 6.6), non platform, ROPS , gearbox like a 7600??.........or similar.........carraro front axle, and bonnet like the original 6610 tractors, with the later paint and grey (i think) under carriage.

you might find the 10 series was a ford thing adam, NA got the CNH JX on the red side, blue crowd got the TN, and 10S series........don't think they got the TDD, but i think they got the TT.....but that was back in 2003

now in the US i think they get all the NH lines, and the 10S series from mexico became the TB series

i see the have the T5000 over there now, we still haven't seen it here in NZ, and i see the T4000 is up on the site, so i guess the TN and TL-a series will disapear from there site in NA

I am waiting to see if the T5000/JXu/Quantum?? has the new 4 spd powershift rumoured to be coming, also will be interesting to see if we get the US or Euro market ones down here

[adamL]

Pudding, we do tend to get in out own little bubbles and assume what we get, everyone else gets too. It's quite interesting to see the different variants that are available in different markets, particularly when they can trace their DNA back to tractors I was using nearly 20 years ago!

I saw on tractorhouse.com, a orchard 7840, which must be a big tractor in an orchard. It had no cab, narrow axles and 2wd. They did do very basic 40 series, which looked little different in spec to the 10 series they replaced, just a different engine and tin work.

[pudding]

ya the orchard tractor thing is different huh, back in the day they were lowering and narrowing up MF168s lol....iseki 7000, round here

funny to find CNH has access to ford and fiat utility tractors, JD build basic versions of there modern machines....CNH bring back the ole war horses, so does agco, and these old war horses will live on, and on, as long as there are developing countrys, and factorys building parts!

orchards need hp to run the sprayers with fans that push chemcial to the top of the crop canopy, thats why most manufactuers offer larger hp tractors now.....

to me what is facinating is fiats ability to produce a tractor with out a brand (well fiat did have a brand, but it was no means a market leader), its done it for years, .......ya have any idea how many manufacturers used fiat skid units........it always humours me when people don't like there product, but have no idea there product is in the machines they praise

you guys get the boomer and farmall in the UK, there are some here, well new farmalls anyway, imported up north, but from what i am told our local CIH dealer won't offer the compact, nor will NH....infact the NH dealer here has TYM on the yard, and the CIH dealer is doing well selling kubota lol

[dom]

That Ford/NH 7810 has the 401 engine. Newest tractor on the farm and my only complaint is the trans between my feet. Turns about the same power as the 8000 and 8600, a lot less than the 9700.

For whomever asked about reliable Ford/NH transmissions, IMO you can't go wrong with the Dual Power. Perfect transmission for under 200Hp if you can work without all the bells and whistles. I also liked the 70 series Genesis transmission. Haven't owned one, but have operated several and like it. The Ultra Command powershift was good too, with one drawback now being that if something breaks in the trans, full replacement rebuilt transmissions aren't offered around here for them (30) series, but are offered for the Genesis trans, saving a lot of expense in shop labor if you take it in to be fixed.

Everything I own is 401 block and Dual Power trans and they're good enough for me and I can do my own repairs if need be.

[eppie]

Sept 4, 2008 5:55:35 GMT 1 dom said:

For whomever asked about reliable Ford/NH transmissions, IMO you can't go wrong with the Dual Power.

Certain series had problems with bronze bushings wearing out in the transmission. Years ago i drove a 8210 II which had this problem. Tractor did 9800 hrs but was written off because the rebuild would be more expensive than what the tractor was worth.