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Post by eppie on Nov 9, 2008 14:38:05 GMT 1
Hi all,
I went out to see a RUR 5 universal disk spreader yesteday. The guy asked 150 euro for it, and it was worth it (but nothing more)
Floor rotted out, pawl system missing, floor mat and cam wheels worn. It needs 3000 euro worth of parts, and a whole winter of work. I didnt buy it, because i have way too many other projects that need my attention.
Also, dealers told me that the disk spreaders work great on fine material like compost and chicken litter, but dont work too well in very rough straw muck. They said vertical spreading drums like Gilibert, Joskin, Strautmann, also spread about 6 to 8 meter wide but shred plucks of straw much finer.
How about hydraulic floor mats ? are they really such a pain in the a$$ to maintain, on a used spreader ?
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Post by adamL on Nov 9, 2008 16:40:48 GMT 1
Renze, when you say hydraulic floor mats do you mean hydraulic drive or those Hydrapusher type things that Deere did? The Hydraulic driven traces are miles better than the ones driven from the PTO. You can start the beaters running then start pushing the material toward it and even reverse it if need be and of course you have infinite adjustment of speed control.
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Post by eppie on Nov 9, 2008 20:26:55 GMT 1
AdamL, right now my little 3.5 ton Schuitemaker has pawl drive in 7 steps. It doesnt make me want infinite at all.
When i drive to the field, the stuff will have vibrated into the beaters anyways, throwing out the lump when you first start them up. Then nothing will come out untill they hit the first solid loader bucket loads.
What i am afraid of with hydraulic floor mats is worn hydromotors, flow dividers and the difference in speed due to the oil temperature rising over the day.
We hired two 8 ton Kempers a couple of years ago, one developed a hydraulic problem while we used it, and needed lot$$ of repair.
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Post by dom on Nov 9, 2008 23:13:09 GMT 1
yall dont have rear pans on your spreaders?
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Post by IH on Nov 10, 2008 3:51:06 GMT 1
I have used Bergmann, Tebbe, Kirchner, and Samson. Hyd. drives are the best, for good quality build and spread go with Tebbe. For absolute superior build quality go with Bergmann. I also hear that Strautmann and Hawe-Wester are really good as well.
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Post by eppie on Nov 10, 2008 19:36:06 GMT 1
DOM, what do you mean by a rear pan ? a pan that collects the muck that passes between the beaters and the conveyor, rather than dumping it on the ground ?
IH, i am not talking about a contractor sized spreader, i am looking for a 5 to 8 ton model that can spread wider than a conventional 2 horizontal beater model, but doesnt take the power of a Hawe or Bergmann...
The RUR 55 doesnt take much power, but thats because of the relatively slow spinner speed. The bigger RA 100 and RA 140 models from Agrostroj Pelhrimov take up to 160 hp, as much as any other universal spreader.
The low power consumption is inherent with the lower spinner speed, but at the consequence of leaving large lumps in heavy straw muck, i am told.
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Post by dom on Nov 11, 2008 11:55:01 GMT 1
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Post by guest usa on Nov 11, 2008 13:51:10 GMT 1
Renze what does a used rur 100 or larger cost where you are? talking in good condition
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Post by adamL on Nov 11, 2008 19:28:22 GMT 1
renze, never had any trouble with hydraulic motors. The 2 on my destoner have done 18 seasons and have had a seal kit each, on of the 2 on the harvester has had a seal kit the other hasn't been touched.
How much muck are you going to spread and how much power have you to hand?
Dad used an old Howard 150 for 18 years to spread the muck 60 cows created, that was old when he bought it. It made the 6711 and 5945 grunt and dispite what people say they actualy do quite a good job of spreading
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Post by eppie on Nov 11, 2008 20:31:30 GMT 1
DOM, end gate is what we'd call it here. No, old spreaders dont have them, only the RUR 55 had them standard, as well as all the German universal disk spreaders. those with beaters, either vertical or horizontal, usually dont have end gates in europe.
AdamL, my 5245 is used on the loader, so preferrably the 3011 should pull the spreader. I am hoping to find a 5 or 6 ton spreader with 4 vertical beaters. The 3011 is just about able to pull a 5800 liter manure tank on the road, so a 5 or 6 ton wagon would be a good match, when its a little lighter than the tanker.
I am not going to trade my 3011 for a 4712 because i have rebuilt the transmission last winter. Its good to go for another 40 years, but i wont get that paid when i sell it.
guest USA, these spreaders arent really pushed in Holland. I know a contractor who has two, they have them for 20 years and will keep them as long as they last.
I have never seen them for sale, only the 1 or 2 RUR 55 that come by at internet auctions, if you look for them.
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Post by adamL on Nov 12, 2008 22:04:36 GMT 1
AdamL, my 5245 is used on the loader, so preferrably the 3011 should pull the spreader. I am hoping to find a 5 or 6 ton spreader with 4 vertical beaters. The 3011 is just about able to pull a 5800 liter manure tank on the road, so a 5 or 6 ton wagon would be a good match, when its a little lighter than the tanker.  That poor little 3011, that's no way to treat an elderly lady  Our sprayer is only 4000 litres and it's got at 7480 on it. I would have thought a Howard 100 sized rotor spreader would have a 3011 huffing and puffing! |
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Post by eppie on Nov 13, 2008 0:42:44 GMT 1
Adam, we're on flat land, which makes quite a difference. Also i spread thick, in a low gear so that doesnt require a lot of hp either.
The 5245 did have to work when using an 8 ton Kemper with flail beaters in heavy muck. I think also the hydraulic floor mat requires more power than a mechanical because of the losses in the flow divider valve.
Right now i just have too much power on the spreader: I started with my brothers 2011 pulling it, putting out about 25 hp, but the 3011 is putting out a whopping 40 hp, which asks for overloading the light duty 3 ton Schuitemaker spreader. The design is from 1953 and a Porsche 22hp was pulling it in the old brochures...
If a rotary tub spreader can hold up that long without service, maybe i should have asked to try the one that was for sale at a local dealer.. Its sold now, but i hear such different things about them that i think i should see for myself... They are rare beasts in Holland though, this concept never really catched on here...
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Post by adamL on Nov 13, 2008 21:15:20 GMT 1
Renze, a rotor spreader has 3 bearings (5 if you include the wheel bearings) and 1 chain.
The tub will last forever if it gets washed out. The flails can beat holes in the tub/barrel, but just shorten them.
All you need to maintain them really is a pressure washer and a grease gun.
You will see countless Howard rotor spreaders that are beaten to death and with holes in them that a cat could escape from, but they have probably never been washed or greased. A mate of mine had a Howard 150 years a go and I thought it was new. all the did was wash it out when they were done with it and squirt some oil on it.
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Post by dom on Nov 14, 2008 6:02:36 GMT 1
wow. and to think the old heldund martin 425 spreader only lasted us 12 years, the New Holland 195 8 years, and now on the 4th year on the H&S 370. And everything gets greased and washed evertime it gets used. Except the skid steer, since it's used every single day. What really blows my mind is having a 30Hp tractor on the spreader. Smallest thing ever on the spreader (or on farm, for that matter, is a Ford 7810. Smallest tractors in my memory on the farm were a pair of Massey Super 90's, one gas, one diesel, and a Case 830 diesel.
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Post by adamL on Nov 14, 2008 19:44:57 GMT 1
wow. and to think the old heldund martin 425 spreader only lasted us 12 years, the New Holland 195 8 years, and now on the 4th year on the H&S 370. And everything gets greased and washed evertime it gets used. Except the skid steer, since it's used every single day. What really blows my mind is having a 30Hp tractor on the spreader. Smallest thing ever on the spreader (or on farm, for that matter, is a Ford 7810. Smallest tractors in my memory on the farm were a pair of Massey Super 90's, one gas, one diesel, and a Case 830 diesel. Dom, we both know it really depends on what the spreaders are doing. I used to know some one that worked on a farm that would change their Samson spreaders every 3 years because they were just about worn out, but they were almost in constant use spreading chicken litter. Dads old Howard 150 was best part of 30 years old, but she's had a little welding, by the time he stopped farming  |
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That poor little 3011, that's no way to treat an elderly lady 
Our sprayer is only 4000 litres and it's got at 7480 on it. I would have thought a Howard 100 sized rotor spreader would have a 3011 huffing and puffing!