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Post by HPP on May 28, 2002 12:42:37 GMT 1
As I understand it some of you guys out there have been around as many years as I have. I´m sure you all have your own Nostalgia-favorite-tractor.
I´ve often wondered about my own favorite from way back. Was it as good a tractor as I "remember" or is it just plain nostalgia? Is it maybe only the age I was in at the time I drove it? (I was 20 at the time).
To me my all time favorit was the Oliver 1650. I think it was somewhere around 70 -80 Hp.
The farmer I worked for in south central Minnesota bought it and got rid of an old Farmall M from -49 I think.
Now my question: Was it a super tractor, or was it just me comparing it to the other junkpile he had (Case 930 Agri King) that made it feel fantastic? I guess at least some of you guys have som expearience of this one, or some other Oliver this age?
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Post by kenjar on May 28, 2002 14:15:07 GMT 1
Hey HPP
I don't know if you would call the 1650, super, but it was or is a pretty darn good old tractor. I haven't had that much experience with it,but did put alot of time on a 1850 though. Still a few 1650s around. The 50 series sold quite well.
Oliver was a popular brand around here. First Oliver I drove was a 60, I have sampled some from each series to a 1955. I have some friends who buy old Olivers and fix them up to resell.
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Post by eppie on May 28, 2002 14:32:45 GMT 1
My nostalgia tractor is the Zetor 4712 from 1974
It was a 2.7 litre three cylinder, official 45 hp on the crankshaft. Tested on the PTO with 53 hp. It never needed a real repair, only some clutch pressure fingers, but that's nothing to be surprised by, after 25 years. (and it was my learning tractor)
We used to pull a 6m3 Veenhuis manure tank combined with a 3 meter wide cultivator. (direct manure injection) the 8m3 tank was also used for transport.
That tractor was impressive to me, as a kid, but also to our neighbors, who were talking about us, with the smallest tractor and the biggest manure tank around.
So in this case, it was not caused just by me, but it was indeed a really impressive tractor.
I'm gonna make a photo gallery of all our farming pictures on Zetorworld, but my brother has to find those photos somewhere around his place.
Renze
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Post by kenjar on May 28, 2002 14:48:19 GMT 1
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Post by eppie on May 28, 2002 15:23:32 GMT 1
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Post by HPP on May 28, 2002 15:36:15 GMT 1
Hey Renze!
When you start talking about small tractors and big equipment I can´t help remembering the re-entry of Fendt to the swedish market.
In -82 we introduced these fine tractors doing a three week tour around the country. If I remember correctly we showed up in thirteen different places demoing five units, all with Kverneland plows. Naturally we didn´t just plow, we also did some spectacular stunts. The best being driving with the 309, 86 Hp, with a 4-furrow reversable, and at the same time pulling the 306, 3-furrow plow and the engine shut off!
Next year, at the plowing championship -83, we had the 309 again, at the rear a 4-furrow reversable and up front a 2-furrow. So far I have never seen anyone with a tractor this size doing a job with that much of equipment.
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Post by eppie on May 28, 2002 16:03:55 GMT 1
If i would fill my front and rear wheels (both duals) with water, plus max. wheelweights, i will drag them both !!(with my 5245) Or didn't you say the engine of the 309 shut off when pulling the 306 loose?  Ha, ha.. kidding so far... P.S. what size of plow are you talking about?? were they 18" furrows? On what height did you attach the cable?? how much front weight?? how loose was the soil? what was the ploughing depth? were you ploughing downhill?? i bet you were ploughing in "improved conditions". i was talking about real life situations, unprepared grassland, horseland with a very hard topsoil. (i have to say, the hard topsoil was essential, else the 4712 would spin like an idiot doing this work on 12.4-32 rear wheels  ) |
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Post by leemsutton on May 28, 2002 17:11:13 GMT 1
I've not heard of some of those tractors that you guys are talking about - 'Oliver  ?' etc. Although perhaps it because I am in England and we never had them. I have 2 favorite's: A Massy Ferguson 135 (40hp) and we've still got one that mow's the grass verges and pulls the odd trailer around the yard. The other one is a bit newer but was a Case IH 956 XL (95hp), 4 wheel drive. Pulled the backside off a Massey 2685. Fantastic engine that just kept pulling and pulling. The reason this tractor was so good was the way it was weighted - perfect! Th eonly draw back was no Air-con, although it was 10-15 years ago and AC was not standard equipment then over here. Lee |
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Post by Red_Painter on May 28, 2002 18:05:01 GMT 1
I used to hear that Oliver was one of the most popular tractors in the corn belt after IH and John Deere. They were one of the first to put front wheel drive on tractors and were one of the first four-wheel drive (smaller front wheels) tractors in our hilly area and were popular in potato fields here too. Case orange and desert sunset colored 930 comfort king tractors were popular wheatland tractors. The row crop tractors had different rear ends and extra gears. I don't know much about them though Case engines were famous for high torque and low rpm engines. Alot of Case tractors could be seen in the Plains in the US and Canada. Check out www.obci.net/oliver1.htm or www.cngco.com/116-4284.html |
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Post by albsec@euskalnet.net on May 28, 2002 18:37:52 GMT 1
Mine was the International 1455 AXL. Impressive!
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Post by eppie on May 28, 2002 20:35:47 GMT 1
Yes, the 1455 became a legend here too. A local contractor has about 10 of them pulling the 12 m3 dumpers
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Post by F6L913 on May 28, 2002 20:41:51 GMT 1
My was a 1973 MF 178. The first tractor i ever drove. It was called the "english" because a lot of them were built in spain but my was a real "english" . 6 speed forward and 2 reverse, the spanish had 8F/2R. I my father bought it used in 1983 with 8000 hours and we sold it in 1997 with 16000.
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Post by FarmerJohn on May 30, 2002 8:19:59 GMT 1
O yes, nostalgia! I really like the Ferguson TE20 tractors. Old isn't it? Okay a newer one? The MF135. Also a great tractor. Its not that big i know, but very reliable. We've got two of them. One is around since 1966. No cab, no powershift, just a 6F/2R transmission. I know it's very nice to drive a new MF 8200-series tractor or a Fendt 926 Vario, but i just love those old simple ones.
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Post by HPP on May 30, 2002 11:12:12 GMT 1
Hey Renze,
it wasn´t "improved" conditions. As I said we toured for about three weeks at many different places and thus we couldn´t pic the demofields ourselves. Some of those fields were really tough I tell you!
It was 16" plows and the depth 22 - 25 cm.
Then all of a sudden the TE 20 shows up here. How strange it would have been if it didn´t.
A tractor way ahead of everybody else. There were some 33.000 units sold in Sweden in 10 years and I would think there are some 20.000 left out there, more or less still running!
That guy Harry Ferguson was a thrue genious. Did you know that he was the papa of the FWD-concept used in many cars today?
A little more nostalgia: When in San Francisco, early -72, I drove a Jensen FF. A hit! The "FF" stood for Formula Ferguson, the FWD-concept!
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Post by HPP on May 30, 2002 13:00:51 GMT 1
Sorry Renze, forgot :
We hooked the 306 with a chain to the top of the 4-furrow plow behind the 309. Naturally we had loads of front weights on the 309.
Another cute thing we did was the driver of Favorit 611, 105 Hp, with a mounted 5-furrow reversible, sitting on the frontweights of his tractor, pulling a string to the injectionpump (thus increasing the revs to above the point where the turboclutch engaged). As soon as he slackened the string the tractor stopped, when he pulled it, the tractor started moving. On the plow behind the 611 we attached a long rope, halfways a piece of rubber band and then another long rope, attached to the injection pump of the 615, 165 Hp, with a 7-furrow semi. In this way the driver of the 611 handled two tractors, total 270 Hp and 2 plows, total 12 furrows.
As I hope you can understand, we had a lot of fun those three weeks in the fall of -82!
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