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[leemsutton]

check this link out

www.farmphoto.com/homestead/message.asp?mid=4909

Can anybody tell what make the cultivator is behind the fendt?

Lee

[kenjar]

Lee

It may be a Krause or Sunflower disc-ripper. They have similiar colors. Could be a Canadian brand as well.

I beleive the ground may be a little wet, even for a Fendt. Maybe we can get ol' Woodbeef to drive out and check.

[Red_Painter]

Here are Krause and Sunflower sites: www.krauseco.com and www.sunflower-mfg.com   Many manufacturers make similar implements. I'm not real familiar with corn belt type tillage practices, but it's my understanding such types of implements have pretty much replaced the moleboard plows in many areas for soil conservation purposes.  It seems like you see alot of new plows shown across the pond, but more conservation type tillage tools like the one shown in the pic are seen here for  primary tillage though plows are still sold new.

[eppie]

Yes, we plow our expensive soil..

Our land is expensive, and therefor we plow, to get the most efficient use of a piece of land. Your American cornfields arent worth a tenth of our land, are less fertile, so you better not make costs on intensive tillage.

Thats how i see it.

P.S. That Fendt driver is a moron. Who will go on such a weak soil?? If it was to harvest, o.k. you worked hard for it, so you better take it off the land, even if there is no dry oppotunity. But for tillage?? you will ruin the soil structure, that costs more crop than sowing a week or two later.  (in European climate)

Renze

[Xavier]

The question is plow or not.

Here in the east of Catalonia we don't use plows and our land is expensive too, similar to yours Renze, i suppose.

People with many land don't use and the others have seen them and now nobody, or a few, use the plow.

I haven't seen a new plow purchased in the last 5 years.

Many people use the crop residue for the farms, the residue is not a important problem so.
No direct drill, we are in reduced work.

[Woodbeef]

Man,I was wondering just what in the h.ll the guy was on until I saw where the picture came from!!

But seriously now,if you look at the other picture it looks like that is a laneway of some type that he is driving on.

Hey Kenjar,

Yep, it is a tad bit damp around here. more rain coming tonight and supose to stay till Saturday at least. I'm just glad the shaggies are not bothered by hoof rot!!

[kenjar]

Say Woodbeef,

When you get enough rain, send me some. Was combining the wheat and saw we had 2 to 3 in. cracks in the ground. Man it is getting dry here.

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That tool is a Unverferth or Brent "earthquake" disc ripper - www.unverferth.com - go to the Brent earthquate link - you'll see why

In southwestern Ontario, more guys are going back to the plow. The increased yields will more then pay for the added fuel costs. And no-till equipment is so darn expensive anyways - a 30ft air seeder is $100,000 cdn.

I hate tools like those disc rippers. To me, compared to plowing, its burning extra fuel to leave residue on top. And in the spring, you need a heavier cultivator. I consider the residue to be a liability instead of an asset. Some people don't like all those dead furrows in the field, but thats because they don't know how to plow.

Us at home, we keep things simple. We plow with a Kongskilde plow 6-8 inches deep in the fall, then we work the ground with an S-tine (danish) cultivator twice in the spring. Once on an angle, and once lengthways. We incorporate our chemicals and fertilizer at this time too. And we have no further worries. We always get good crops.

In the cornbelt, the ground is more erosion prone, so I can see why they have reduced tillage. But they also have 2 feet of topsoil, compared to 6 inches here. To me, there's only 2 types of tillage - plowing, or pure no-till, or maybe strip till - everything else is not consistent enough or not economical enough

[eppie]

Hey Xavier:

We just sold 4 hectare of land: medium sand soil.

For 37,000 Euro per hectare.. Is that a similar price to yours in Catalonia?? I think not.

p.S. Wasn't Catalonia in Spain??

[leemsutton]

Thats £9,457 per acre!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has it got gold in it or something?

If you've sold it to another farmer then he must be mad, but if you've sold it to a housing developer then you must be mad cause it's probably worth 100 times that.

Farm land in england is currently making £2,000-£3,000 /acre. Thats 10,758 euro's per hectare.

Lee

[F6L913]

Hello to everybody,

I live at the same zone as Xavier and here the land is about 15000€/hectar on the bad zones and in the better zones are a bit expensive.

Here maybe 90% of the farmer use the subsoiler after harvest, we never plow, as Xavier said.

[[e-mail]]

A few years ago, the story was the following. All the south Holland farmers were moving north, all the north Hollanders were moving to Ontario, Canada, and all the Ontario dutch farmers were moving to the Great Lakes part of the USA.

Seriously, come to my area, you'll be surrounded by Hollanders - it is really something now. Every 2 weeks, your see an advertisement about a brand new 250 cow freestall with double 12 parlor, or something similar.

Land price here is $3500-6500 CDN per acre (2500-4000 Euro's). The livestock guys are buying it all - theres not a lot of money in cash crops.

[eppie]

Leemsutton and Xavier:

To be exactly: we sold it for 82,500 guilders per hectare.
82,500 / 2.20371 is 37,436.86 Euro. Our neighbor was glad to have it for that price, he said.

My father had in mind to go to Canada 12 years ago,  we have family there , but the language and his age were the factors that made him decide not to.

he would do it for us, the kids. I wish he did, I will survive with my English speaking, as you see, my oldest brother too, but now he has a quarter a million Euro debt. you might understand why we sold the land, that saves quite some bank interest.

we think the prices will drop within 5 years, every farmer is discouraged by silly governmental rules and laws.

[leemsutton]

Question: Why is Farm land in holland making ridiculous amounts of money when commodity prices, such as wheat and barley, are at an all time low.

I dont understand how any farmer in the world can pay that much money for land when he will never see a return off it.

Even if he's is growing vegetables there is no way that he can make money.

Lee

[eppie]

Your words are my conclusion:
Thats exactly what kills us...