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Post by paddyland on Apr 17, 2002 18:36:32 GMT 1
As Lee mentioned Agco are launcing a new brand known as the Challenger line up this was all mentioned in Farmers Weekly and are to be in cat yellow. But for the UK this will pose some new problems for who is going to sell them as Claas own some of the main dealers and surely Agco will want some one to sell the whole line up rather than just the track machines
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Post by martijn on Apr 17, 2002 20:35:39 GMT 1
That,s agood question. Agco need other dealers in europe to sell them. I think most MF and Fendt dealers will sell them in their own colors and specifications (like hood and cab). That will sell better.
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Post by Woodbeef on Apr 17, 2002 22:19:47 GMT 1
Ahhh......now this whole deal is finally starting to make some sense!!
I did not know that the whole Challenger line was going to be available in Europe. But it looks like Agco pulled off one big marketing coup here,not Cat!! Agco will gain the reputation of Cat,without Cat actually assembling one tractor or piece of equipment in the Challenger line......
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Post by Si on Apr 17, 2002 22:55:55 GMT 1
But will it work? they tried to bring the White models across the pond, but they were not accepted, Massey has a bad name ( in UK anyway, although I think the 6200 range are a lot better now) they run the risk of either bringing the Massey etc. products up to Cats reputation......Or the Cat products down to the Massey etc reputation.
Cheers
Simon
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Post by geen@essent.nl on Apr 18, 2002 12:08:18 GMT 1
It's strange to put a whole productrange (in this case the massey) down, because the products weren't perfect about 15(?) years ago. To be clear, I'm not massey user, but I'm wondering: Why would the massey with a Perkins motor (like so many other tractors), gima transmission, Bosch components etc. couldn't compete with others, and why wouldn't they chose other suppliers to have better products..... Does anybody found (technical) problems on a (new) tractor, allmost simular to the problem that trademark had a couple decenia? Let me know!
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Post by Si on Apr 18, 2002 21:04:41 GMT 1
AB until 2 years ago I was a MAssey salesman, and it was very sole desroying to sell products that were unrealiable. The 6200's seem alot better, but the 6100 and 8100 were very unrelaible, especally the brakes & transmission, for which the life expectancy was approx 3000 hrs. Even the new 6200 has problems a good friend of mine has just had his 6290 replaced by MF for brakes packing up for no reason, apparently they are a few like this, for which MF has no explanation, but to be fair they changed the tractor, with the customer only paying for tyre wear. I could also tell you about some horror stories about thier combines, but thats another posting!
Cheers
Simon
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Post by pittsburgcowgirl@prodigy.net on Apr 19, 2002 1:23:50 GMT 1
:'(looks to me that someone got dumped as a salesman that could not selllll equipment ore wants to badmouth massey grow up
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Post by Woodbeef on Apr 19, 2002 1:38:48 GMT 1
Chill out,man......
Obviously you are very new here!!
Si knows from where he speaks!!!!!
Masseys do not have a very good reputation for dependability on this side of the pond either. It started with the 1085,1105,1135,2000,3000etc.....and still goes on till today. The under 100 hp ones seem to be o.k. though.
I think that they need to tighten up on QC!!
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Post by geen@essent.de on Apr 19, 2002 9:36:35 GMT 1
MF under-100-hp is UK-build he?  Do you now some numbers of production? here in the Netherlands we don't have a tractorfactory (unfortunatelly), In Brazil I 've heard: Valtra: 7000pcs, JD: 4000 pcs, NH (ford -30 and TL/TM) 4000 pcs, coudn't visit MF-tractorfacory, although the combines a.o. MF34 : 2500 pcs!! Case in the same building as the TL/TM, MX270: just started, they hope 1000 tractors a year if I remember correct. |
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Post by Si on Apr 19, 2002 11:12:07 GMT 1
Cheers Woodbeef, and yes I agree the 4300 series of MF are a cracking tractor, as all brands MF have good products, and poor products.
Bye
Simon
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Post by leemsutton on Apr 20, 2002 12:36:22 GMT 1
John,
Grow up - I've met simon and he's knows exactly what he's on about.
We USED to run Massey but we got rid of the whole lot -combine included basically because they are CRAP!
Constant problems with everything and in the last year the combine broke down every single day it was working!! We parked it up and hired and old NH 8080 to finish off with.
MF stands for Many Faults and I can honestly say I dont know a Massey user thats happy with there machines.
Lee
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Post by FarmerJohn on Apr 20, 2002 14:30:05 GMT 1
Wooooh, mr. Lee. If you don't know any MF-drivers that like those tractors, that doesn't mean they are not out there. I for one am a happy MF-driver and i think some other forum-visitors are. Although i must say that the MF's i own are nearly 50, 35 and 25 years old. They are still doing their daily jobs on our farm.
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Post by paddyland on Apr 23, 2002 9:36:16 GMT 1
As simon said MF may have niggling problems with their tractors but if the truth be known so does everyone e  :)lse. There is also the dealer back up which is better than most although i have little experience with MF tractors we do run a Fermec digger and when things went wrong they were fixed and the job done properly. The coventry built tractors seem to be more reliable than the French models as a rule of thumb or am i wrong. As i believe Renault use the same transmission manufacturer and this has been a problem for them too but i dont know too much bout them either but you have too keep an open mind and not just judge a book by its cover. |
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Post by bosmajh@hotmail.com on Apr 24, 2002 0:28:55 GMT 1
I have visited the NH Basildon, MF/GIMA Beauvais and Fendt Marktoberdorf tractor factories. Then you can see the differences between the gearboxes and tell why one lasts longer than the other. The gearbox of the MF 3000 lasts about 4-5000 hours and of the Fendt 300 about 6-7000 hours. I haven't heard of any NH 40 series eating up gears(mainly electronic/hydraulic faults). I think it has a lot to do with the weight of the gears. The gears of the NH looked much heavier and wider than the Fendt and MF. That is why our choice to stay with NH wasn't that difficult. I don't know if MF still uses the same gearboxes but NH and Fendt are.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 24, 2002 15:16:55 GMT 1
I can not say anything about NH. But I know a lot of MF 3000 with over 9000 hours without problems in the gearbox. Yesterday, I drive with a 3065 which have 11500 hours - without problems. The biggest problem from all tractors is, that farmers drive to long from one service to the next. With the old oil they get problems with valves, and so on.
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Do you now some numbers of production? here in the Netherlands we don't have a tractorfactory (unfortunatelly), In Brazil I 've heard: Valtra: 7000pcs, JD: 4000 pcs, NH (ford -30 and TL/TM) 4000 pcs, coudn't visit MF-tractorfacory, although the combines a.o. MF34 : 2500 pcs!!
:)lse. There is also the dealer back up which is better than most although i have little experience with MF tractors we do run a Fermec digger and when things went wrong they were fixed and the job done properly. The coventry built tractors seem to be more reliable than the French models as a rule of thumb or am i wrong.