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Post by Woodbeef on Jun 19, 2003 22:38:32 GMT 1
Ok I'm looking for a mfd tractor for some rough loader work around the farm. It's basically down to a Zetor 8045 and an Oliver 1655. The Zetor is lower priced and has a factory cab. Tell me why I should or should not go with the Zetor........
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Post by ZJ on Jun 20, 2003 0:00:25 GMT 1
WB, do you want to impress Renze? ;D A friend bought 8011 (1980) used, few months ago, in not so nice shape. Engine runs quite good, no smoke. He wants to put 4WD. For age, hours and price - excellent choice.  BTW, yesterday talked with Hannibal.  |
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Post by Woodbeef on Jun 20, 2003 2:31:27 GMT 1
hey ZJ,
Renze............who's that??? No really,it's the price of the tractor that is most appealing for what it is. I'm just looking for something sturdy that will go about it's business without giving me trouble.
So you have spoken to Hannibal. Has he returned from another mission? Or is he heading out on one? Did he get his electronic logistics problem sorted out yet?
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Post by ZJ on Jun 20, 2003 7:17:13 GMT 1
Hey WB, Not yet. He told me that he will send me a mail for test, but I didn't receive it yet.  About Zetor. Ag combinate here have 12045 for over 20 years. If their employers didn't kill it, you never will. My personal opinion: 8045 is too heavy for its engine on the road, but for your purpose (front loader, as you told), I think it will be great and very stabil unit. The best thing on this tractors are simplicity - every blacksmith can repair it, cheap parts and low price. ...And it's not fastidious to fuel: Most of tractors here run on heating oil or blue (ag) diesel, which is even worse than heating oil. (I tried once, had bad experience, and since then I buy only best fuel - sulpher free). |
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Post by orange on Jun 20, 2003 15:45:04 GMT 1
WB,
Just one think I would check for sure is the steering, especially being on loader work.
It probably has power assisted steering unit, with an arm sticking down through the front casting, all ball bearings inside, you know the ones?
Well they either work good or they work your muscles, you may turn into the strongest man in the world!
The 8145's had full power steering, with a orbital unit, with a steering cylinder on the front axle.
I have converted a few 12045's and 8045's to orbital unit steering or full hydrostatic steering which ever way you wish to call it.
All you need is the steering unit, a small double acting cylinder and Patience.
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Post by Woodbeef on Jun 20, 2003 16:34:04 GMT 1
Thanks Orange,
So do you think that a 8145 would be the better way to go then? 8045s seem to sell for about $7-8,000 and the 8145s are in the $11-13,000 range.
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Post by orange on Jun 20, 2003 18:12:16 GMT 1
Actually thinking about it again, I think some of the early 8145' had this old steering unit system, not entirely sure. You can soon tell by looking above the starter motor, if it has a rod that goes from the cab down to the front under the radiator with a universal joint above the starter, then it is the old type. If it is the new type the orbital unit will be behind the engine and in front of the cab. Personally I would not bother with either, for that money you could buy a very good loading shovel or loader type machine that is made for the job. Maybe you drink a few pints of the JD beer and goe and see that galloping goat dealer and make an offer on that artic JD loader that you keep saying has been sitting there for a while |
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Post by eppie on Jun 20, 2003 20:26:32 GMT 1
You know the story about our Ursus C-385 A, which is teh equivalent of the Zetor 8045... After some bolts ran loose (so check your transmission housing bolts every once in a while, when you use it as loader tractor) i drove home, it bled 55 liters of oil, the nose wagged when i revved, and the trannie and rear axle hung together in some cab mounts and the tranny drive shafts. After that, i tightened the bolts, filled 55 of the prescribed 60 liters of oil, and we used it fot another 1000 hrs... Well if that aint ruggedness, what else is ??   ;D ..this same tranny is used in the 16045 with twice the power !! (just the 16045 had only 3 gears instead of four, it missed the first gear because too low gear ratios could cause overload.... just for safety.. The only advice i would give is: put some thick, noise insulating floor mats on the floor... 85 DB(a) was very silent in 1968 at its introduction, but too much for nowadays... And maybe paste some foam rubber on the roof... That depends on how high you rev it up... ZJ: heavy ?? maybe it feels heavy because of the dimensions of cab, mudguards and square hood... But it weighs 4100 kg, what isn't any extreme when compared to other 85 hp tractors. Yes the power steerings.. Well, if you decide to use a newer aftermarket Danfoss kit (which should be priced at about 600 Euro, just as high as a new Zetor power steering unit) For the Danfoss kit, you pay for the tech, for the Zetor kit, you pay iron per kilo... You could always leave the old cast-iron housing where it is, for ballast.... I dont know if the N.A. versions had bigger oil pumps than the 40 liter/minute we got here, but for the oil pumps what you are used to, it's nothing.... So remount the front mounted pump of your Steyr or buy a new 80 liter pump.... I am not very familiar with the Crystal's intestines, but i think you can replace the pump by unmounting a cover on the side of the clutch housing (dry clutch, no oil mess when taking it out, just stop the feed line) Hey, what kind of tractor is the Oliver ?? i'm not familiar with them... |
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Post by Fred on Jun 20, 2003 21:27:06 GMT 1
I agree with Orange, go get a shovel for the right price.
I was thinking your prices were high, but I suppose if the tractor is clean it'll be OK, Cnd Dollar ain't as strong as I thought! The Oliver is from the Sixties and a six cylinder? I would have thought comparing the two the Oliver is a more wanted and hence inflated dollars? I'm really not sure an 8045 would be up to your need of rough loader work Even an industrial tractor could be better as the tractor is fitted into the loader not loader onto tractor if you get my meaning!
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Post by Woodbeef on Jun 20, 2003 23:04:40 GMT 1
What I really need is a tractor with mfd,cab and a loader that sits higher than the industrial ones from MF,NH,Case and Deere. It also has to have a 3pth hitch and pto,so that leaves large rubber tired loaders out(plus they are not very cheap) The tractor will be used in the bush for clearing out,and also for winter feeding of round bales,plus whatever else comes up. I want a tractor that I will not mind scrastching or the odd dent being inflicted on it.
The Oliver I'm looking at is a 1655 that was made in 1974. it has an aftermarket cab,needs paint badly. It is priced at $10,500.
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Post by Fred on Jun 21, 2003 8:07:24 GMT 1
The tractor will be used in the bush
Where and what you farming ;D
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Post by pudding on Jun 22, 2003 4:13:55 GMT 1
what were the front ends of the 1655 like, was told that the white field bosses were never that strong
loader tractor, actually a ford 7000 would be a pretty unstopable loader tractor, but they never had a great 4wd
the MF50D was available with a high cab, but was 2wd,
a goat loader?........we have aJD544 on our farm, i seriously have forgotten about it, it has been on loan to one of our stores that long........betsy we call her, great ole bus, rusty from years in our fert store, torpue converter was tired, but a real pusher
sounz like woodbeef is looking for the same machine as my father, by the time my father buys one, they will have invented one exactly how he wants it
woodbeef sounz like he is on the right track,
actually there were a few zetor, fiat and SAME sold in NZ with blades fitted from new (my father demoed a mercury 85 to a customer which had one on), that is what they did there whole life, bashed through the trees and around the hills.........the red and green brands could no come close to what the italians and other euro brands were offering in the way of 4wd
woodbeef......any hesstons crossed your mind? 880DT?....980DT?.....80-66dt? (awesome ole tractor).......problem is fiat-allis america now services the hesston clients, NH doesn't do it directly, but i know they will get parts
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Post by Fred on Jun 22, 2003 9:44:23 GMT 1
WB What about a Belarus, cheap with high driving position and no need to worry about damage. Just buy a paper bag at same time to put over your head, after all you don't want your neighbours knowing you're driving one |
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Post by Richard_S on Jun 22, 2003 12:32:49 GMT 1
Woodbeef, I went to a sale a couple of years back, there was an equal wheel County with a Bomford loader. Not sure what model it was, I think it was based a 7600. It sold for little money. Methinks this would have been you're ideal machine. (providing you have plenty of space to turn round  ) Fred saw a 2001 Belarus 90hp for sale for about £3500. Tractors don't come any cheaper than that! Richard. |
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Post by Fred on Jun 22, 2003 13:21:41 GMT 1
Richard
That Belarus has got to be one huge bargain, doing the conversions on the 8045 I make it the same price!!!!! Hadn't thought about County/Bomford loader. If it was equal wheeled I'd expect it was a 754, the loader looks strong on those combinations. Sure would push anything and not even a shaggy could damage it!
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