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Post by Farmer from Finland on Oct 11, 2008 9:53:33 GMT 1
Hey Sisu diesel launched 7 cyl engine..maube you all allready have heard this.Also band name is changed.Agcosisupower is new name. www.agcosisupower.com/FFF |
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Post by adamL on Oct 12, 2008 16:39:52 GMT 1
Just had a read and that is quite a clever idea, hardly any new parts needed and you get a new, bigger engine. Hope it works and would like to hear what 7 cylinders sound like
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Post by dom on Oct 14, 2008 8:12:11 GMT 1
kinda the same as kubota going to 5 poppers about ten years ago?
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Post by eppie on Oct 15, 2008 20:17:53 GMT 1
Zetor was one of the early ones to unificate their ranges in 1958. The 2011, 3011 and 4011 were 2, 3 and 4 cylinder versions of the same basic engine, with individual heads. Transmissions used the same housing to use different sizes of bearings, gears and shafts.
Later when automated production made it even cheaper to produce more of the same part, compared to the difference in cost price of making a smaller gear for the 25 hp transmission, they decided to also give the smallest models the same gears as the biggest.
Unification is as old as the road to Rome.
As the press release says, it has an exotic sound... as all engines with an odd cylinder number, the VW 5 cylinder TDI has a typical sound, as well as the Mercedes OM 617 and Volvos 2.5 petrol 5 cylinder engines.
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Post by Bernhard on Oct 16, 2008 5:09:12 GMT 1
Renze wrote:..Zetor was one of the early ones to unificate their ranges in 1958. The 2011, 3011 and 4011 were 2, 3 and 4 cylinder versions of the same basic engine....
But they have been relatily late. What´s about the Deutz F L 514? 15-65 hp? introduced in 1950. Hanomag D range? 17-40 hp? Introuced in 1950, too.
I can´t say, that the 5cyl. Benz or VW Dieselengines had an unique sound
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Post by eppie on Oct 16, 2008 18:46:25 GMT 1
I can´t say, that the 5cyl. Benz or VW Dieselengines had an unique sound They can be recognised from far.... because they sound different than inline 3,4 or 6 cylinders and V8's.... |
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Post by martijn o on Oct 19, 2008 19:46:27 GMT 1
Which tractor/combine get this engine next year??
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Post by Bernhard on Oct 19, 2008 20:31:06 GMT 1
Renze,
as I have stated: Couldn´t say that they sounded different to a normal 4 cyl..A Company, I was employed at in 1983,a 300 TD I worked at, Neighbour had Mercedes 300 D which I have driven a few times, friend owned a Audi 100 CD 5 E when they entered the market in 1979, other neighbour had the Volvo 245 with the VW 5 cyl.
There was one Deutz DX 90 running here and Yes..it sounded different, but that was, cause of the sound of the crappy 5 cyl engine.
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Post by eppie on Oct 19, 2008 21:13:32 GMT 1
Bernhard, the Volvo 245 definately sounds like a 6 cylinder... because it WAS a 6 cylinder...  Its the 2.4 IDI engine as used in the early LT. Volvo started using the VW/Audi 5 cylinder 2.5 TDI in the 850. My brother had a 1983 300D and my 79 year old neighbor still has one, also from 1983. I can hear when it's him. I can hear when my cousin traded his 1.9 transporter for a 2.5 transporter... |
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Post by bignick on Oct 31, 2008 12:08:23 GMT 1
The name change is the big thing here as it is a move to bring the agco brand more together, the more they come under the one name the more cost efective agco will be
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Post by martijn o on Dec 6, 2008 13:37:40 GMT 1
Which tractors get this engine. Maybe a MF 8695?
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Post by Farmer from Finland on Dec 6, 2008 16:06:48 GMT 1
Which tractors get this engine. Maybe a MF 8695?
--I visited Valtra factory,they said that 7 cyl is for combine etc.,not for tractor.Let see the future,but now seems that 6-cyl create enough power to biggest tractor models.
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Post by eppie on Dec 7, 2008 14:35:45 GMT 1
The 8.4 liter engine, according to its spec sheets, runs to 305 KW, or 414 hp. I cant see them building a bigger Valtra than 414 hp anywhere soon... The big Agco artics would rely on Cummins power anyways, Americans wouldnt get used to exotic Finnish 7 cylinder engines... |
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Post by adamL on Dec 7, 2008 15:03:20 GMT 1
The 8.4 liter engine, according to its spec sheets, runs to 305 KW, or 414 hp. I cant see them building a bigger Valtra than 414 hp anywhere soon... The big Agco artics would rely on Cummins power anyways, Americans wouldnt get used to exotic Finnish 7 cylinder engines... Do most of them even know where it is and what it is? They'd have to buy some metric spanners too like the rest of the world already has... Just thought, would the extra pot make it too long for a rowcrop/front assist type tractor? |
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Post by eppie on Dec 8, 2008 20:40:57 GMT 1
Just thought, would the extra pot make it too long for a rowcrop/front assist type tractor? Not in an application ABOVE the front axle, like a Magnum.\ Its better than a V8 anyways.... |
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Its the 2.4 IDI engine as used in the early LT. Volvo started using the VW/Audi 5 cylinder 2.5 TDI in the 850.