New McCormick

[Martijn Oortgiese]

I,ve read in a Dutch magazine that McCormick will launch a new serie whit HP to 260. Whit powershift. Were will it made? By buhler. or whit Landini?. Annyone has more info

[eppie]

Buhler's tractors go till 240 hp.
Landini's biggest model is 190 hp.

The market for both brands is too small to develope something new all on their own. i think we see a Funk or ZF powershift tranny in it. The ZF can handle max. 260 hp, but the Funk would be strategically a better move for them.

[European A]

Could anyone explain the relation between Buhler & McCormick? As far as I know they are completely different companies. Did I miss anything?

[eppie]

No connection, but both brands make tractors which used to be CNH. Buhler makas tractors from 170+ hp, McCormick's biggest is 170 hp. They would fit together, and have complementary products. Strategically seen, it wouldn't be bad for Buhler. But a Ford design under McCormick red might cause some grieve.

[Xavier]

For me seems quite good movement for two brands, Buhler has a low range in America, and Mc Cormick has big tractors for European market, the 4wd seem too big for here but ...

Buhler seem to won a little more but in USA seem to me very difficult to fight against JD, CNH, AGCO.

In the actually not seems too difficult make a big tractor: a good engine, buy a Sisu perhaps, a trans ZF 40/40 like others, or a Powershift Funks, a ZF rear axle, a impact design and go.
But it has any posibilities against a 8020 or a 900...

... not sure

[kenjar]

Martijn,
I am thinking that McCormick will build the larger models themselves. If you want to compete in this hp class, might as well do it yourself.
ARGO claims that there will be no platform sharing between McCormick and Landini.

However,Buhler would be a good scource for the larger models, would save McCormick the cost of development.

[Euroepan A]

Lets´play for a moment.
Now read some of the comments you have recently posted. I think you forget corporations are full of people working together to get a good final product.

Now, think about the power of the brands. Most of the European and NorthAmerican companies have similar plants. Some of them have massive dealership in certain countries, yeah, ok. But I´m talking about what makes a brand, a tractor, a combine more powerful than other. From my point of view, the Engineering people (you can include design, if you want) are responsible for this fact.

So, it´s easy for McCormick to design a range of high-powered tractors? If ARGO still keeps the people who worked for IH and Case at Doncaster, the answer is obvious. Can Buhler introduce brand new models? I don´t know whether the Engineering and Design Department has changed or not. We can buy the components out there, but people who know what to do with them is much more important.

I think we often forget whether people go or stay in a location after a brand or a plant is sold. These facts aren´t normally unveiled...

[eppie]

Will they give the old maxxum a few more gears? I hear people complain that there is no reserve gear speed between the four groups, or speedranges, however you name it. The tractor almost stops when shifting from 4 to 5, when it shifts up a range. I think it needs an extra gear or two. I mean, powershift four, range 1 should be equal to powershift 2, range 2.

For the big McCormick, i suppose they pick the big Perkins, and a Funk tranny. McCormick wont have a big market share just in Europe, and Americans, i think, are sceptical about that posibility.

By the way: arent the small crawlers, and vineyard & orchard models shared Landini platforms

[kenjar]

European A,
You have brought up some interesting points.
Your remarks on an Engineering Deptmartment are one of the reasons I felt they could build it in house.

Renze,
Yes they are sharing platforms.ie crawlers, vineyard models.
I should of said the mainline tractors will not be shared.

[Woodbeef]

I'm not entirely sure that McC will try it or not. Look at their sibling,for years they have never had a high horsepower tractor of their own. Do they really need one for their markets? Or can they get by with a badge engineered offering for such low volume? If they do go higher,what will they power it with? Even Massey who owned Perkins did not use it in over 135 pto hp applications since the 80s.

[kevanos]

Also, the McCormick G series is from ARGO's SEP division.
The vineyard tractors seem to be closer to the Valpadana division's tractors, don't you think?

And of course, the combine is from the Laverda division of ARGO.

[eppie]

Woodbeef:

I said this before, but Claas is using the big perkins in the Xerion. About MF not using this engine, it makes me wonder too, but what makes me wonder even more, is that Claas uses the Perk in the X, instead of the Benz.

By the way: i remember reading something in an old magazine, (around 1990) that Perkins signed a cooperation with Pegaso (Spanian truck) for development of engines in the range of 200-500 hp. Someone else told me lately, that Pegaso is now eaten by Iveco/Fiat/NH.

If they want a good engine, they can always pick the Dutch DAF truck engine. It's a very reliable engine which doesn't drink much. DAF is the one that bought the old Leyland six cylinder engine, so, it still gives a certain "British idea" to potential buyers.

Oh, i remember: 12.6 litre is a but much for 180-260 hp.
The smaller engines in Daf trucks are Cummins, i thought.

[kenjar]

Rumor has it that Buhler will build McCormick's larger horsepower tractors, at least thats what the AgMachinery boss has heard.

Anyone else out there with any news to add to this subject?

[eppie]

Perkins or Cummins???

I dont think CNH will be o.k. when they use the 7.5L Powerstar....

[Samuel]

McCormick will launch MTX 200 (and MC120) in October or November. Big MTX will have Cummins 8.3 engine.