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Post by jose on Sept 30, 2002 18:49:25 GMT 1
I believe that if to use a engine with good reputation to gain sale. like: John deere, deutz, caterpillar, cummins.
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Post by eppie on Sept 30, 2002 21:07:01 GMT 1
The agmachinery news page says it will have a cummins and a Funk, probably assembled by Buhler.
but did the Genesis always had a Funk tranny, or just the new McCormick??
But, will CNH allow them to use a Cummins? I thought one of the contract quotes said that they should use another engine than the Cummins what Case used.
But maybe that's just for the continued Case series, and not for newly developed series.
And Jose: I think using a deere or Deutz engine will be strategically a bad move. The Magnum also had a Cummins, so that's the best thing to do if they want to reach Case customers.
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Post by jose on Sept 30, 2002 23:32:05 GMT 1
engine genesis makes iveco? new holland makes , where it makes ? . that funk to that they talk about, is the one that belong to deere & Co?  |
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Post by Woodbeef on Oct 1, 2002 0:49:13 GMT 1
hey Renze,
The Genesis series always had the Funk,matter of fact I think the 30 series did too.
Hey Jose,
The engine is a Ford design,from Basildon. Yes,Deere does own Funk.
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Post by kenjar on Oct 1, 2002 4:50:56 GMT 1
Hi guys,
They will probably go with Cummins, Buhler uses it in their Versatile line. CNH will most likely be phasing out the 7.5L engine when they replace the TM and MXM models.
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Post by eppie on Oct 1, 2002 12:11:49 GMT 1
You're right, Kenjar.
CNH will develope a new engine, they said, a co-operation from Iveco, Cummins and Steyr. (steyr has some pretty good engineers there in St. Valentin, but no engine production facilities....
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Post by Bart VD on Oct 2, 2002 19:30:39 GMT 1
Renze, CNH can't forbid Mc Cormick to use Cummins. Cummins is a separate factory. The engine in the Maxxum and Magnum is developed by Case and Cummins, after it was finished, both could use and change it like they want. So CNH has not to say what Cummins must do with that engine.
The new engine of CNH is a cooperation between New Holland - Iveco (are different company's) and Cummins. There gone be 4 and 6 cyl. models. Maybe the new TS gone have them ??
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Post by Si on Oct 2, 2002 20:16:54 GMT 1
As Bart V D says the Maxxum engine was made by a Case / Cimmons venture, called CDC (Consilidated Diesel Corporation), they were used by other manufacturers as well (JCB for instance
Cheers
Simon
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Post by eppie on Oct 2, 2002 20:18:43 GMT 1
Iveco is also a doughter company of Fiat Group, just like CNH. So in my opinion, they arent as different as you say.
So, they Steyr engine engineers just have to sit on their butt the coming years? or are they working for others like Sisu, Benz and BMW??
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Post by Bart VD on Oct 2, 2002 21:19:54 GMT 1
Iveco is a daughter company of Fiat, but not an agricultural company, so I think they have completely separate engineering desks.
And does Steyr make engines ?
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Post by Woodbeef on Oct 2, 2002 23:09:20 GMT 1
Hey Bart, Steyr used to make their own. Very good ones too,well known for quietness,and low fuel consumption. From what I understand they just did not make enough of them to stay competetive. The models now made by Sisu Diesel (20 series) www.sisudiesel.com were jointly developed by Valmet and Steyr. |
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Post by jose on Oct 2, 2002 23:21:03 GMT 1
I believe that engine genessis 7,5 design iveco, to have same the Bore x Stroke, and Displacement, that iveco 7675SE00 and 767Ë00
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Post by Woodbeef on Oct 3, 2002 0:48:06 GMT 1
hey Jose,
I do believe that the Genesis was a pure Ford design,it was already in the pipeline prior to Fiat.
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Post by jose on Oct 3, 2002 0:55:04 GMT 1
then iveco the copied a
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Post by kenjar on Oct 3, 2002 2:30:35 GMT 1
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