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Post by jose on Sept 18, 2002 1:07:31 GMT 1
so that the 9240 massey ferguson and deutz 8,31 have same cab? . the massey I believe that I make agco just as agco allis 9695 and that white 6195. the group same made models to him to agco? . so that agco 7630 to be just as same laser 130
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Post by pudding on Sept 18, 2002 3:03:43 GMT 1
you having these issues too huh.....am told i think too much  i have a friend in ontario canada who has the whole, davidbrown, fiat, Iseki, hinimoto, agco thing down pat.....but he doesn't want to know anything about the SAME models i wanna know what a SAME saturno 80 was called by oliver......if oliver did badge that model......i might pester kenjar..... laters pudding |
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Post by kenjar on Sept 18, 2002 4:32:41 GMT 1
Hi Jose, The Massey 9240 was very similiar to the White 6215. The Same 265 was another rebadged Agco product, Lamborghini may have had there own version also. The Deutz AgroStar 8.31 was a Agco-Allis 9690. The Agco-Allis 7650/7630/7600 are Same Lasers. The Agco-Allis 8630/8610 are Same Anteres. The Agco-Allis 6690/6680/6670/5680/5670 are Same Explorers. The Agco-Allis 4650/4660/5650/5660 are Same Argons. White had some rebadged Lamborghini models. Pudding, Them Oliver folks called a Same Saturno 80, now let me recall, oh yes, a Same Saturno 80!!! ;D Don't think there was a rebadged Saturno. Those Italian Olivers were Fiat scourced. Oliver rebadged some Browns for sale in the US too.  |
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Post by pudding on Sept 20, 2002 1:29:26 GMT 1
hey kenjar
u know whats really crazy
in the later 70's-early 80's oliver exported SAME badged to lil ole NZ.......at the time when SAME was a huge seller in NZ anyway
anyhow......i have seen a picture of a SAME based oliver in 4wd, about the same size as a saturno.......thats why i is asking.....i know there is one somewhere.......and there is a man in new york state i know who wants parts for a saturno 80, and i was just digging up all possibilities......
laters
pudding
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Post by Woodbeef on Sept 20, 2002 2:12:11 GMT 1
Hey Super Hero Type Dude,
Hate to tell you this but ............Oliver was gone as a brand name in North America by the mid 70s.
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Post by pudding on Sept 20, 2002 3:28:16 GMT 1
looks like i was out on my dates huh hate to admit it, but you right woodbeef  well you must be, cause up to now i guessing a whole lot......from what i could recall......you have to give me a break, cause i am a 1979 model myself. saturno was built in 1974 on, to the best of my knowledge.... well i wonder what it was.......must be an older SAME i wish i paid more attention to that photo bugger it, this is eating me up DSL sent me a pic of a oliver 462, but that is a lot smaller.....hmmm...... i need to do some more homework huh hey....woodbeef, you been sending me these emails about joining adult chat rooms is your email addy godspeed7779584ab@hotmail.com? laters pudding |
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Post by kenjar on Sept 20, 2002 4:36:26 GMT 1
Hey Pudding,
What model Fiat of about 70hp(55 pto) was offered in the late 60's?
Trying to match the Oliver 1450 to its Fiat mate. The 1450 had a 268ci engine with a 7 speed tranny.
No luck on the green Saturno. Might of been something else.
Did Oliver sell many tractors in NZ? I wasn't aware of Oliver marketing products there.
A Oliver 462, I haven't heard of that one before.
If you have a pic of it, post it!
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Post by pudding on Sept 20, 2002 5:07:00 GMT 1
hey kenjar check here for a conversion chart on the fiat/oliver thing www.sphosting.com/dsl/equivalents.htmli guess you want a fiat 750 the guy who made that site can help ya on anything for that model.....he is a good man pic of the oliver 462?.....remind me tommorrow!.... goodnight pudding |
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Post by Farmer from Finland on Sept 20, 2002 10:11:25 GMT 1
Hi pudding.Intersting list this Fiat/others list.
I have had in use FIAT 415 and also 415 DT.Both were used when came to our farm.
You those models you don't have DT Models in 60s.
I have told there that the first 4-wheel tractor i have tested were Zetor 5545,second were FIAT 640 DT.
The first own 4-wheel drive tractor were mentioned 415 DT.
I haven't heard about model 570,could it be 580.
Also as i know model 850 were also in manufacturing.
UTB 640 were different as original 640.I'm now discussing model diring 70s.UTB had 12+3 gearbox,some kind of creeper.And if i remember right the lingage were taken from smaller model.
Model 650 were in Finland only as industrial model,i have seen this equipped with excavator and front loader.
maybe more later
FFF
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Post by Woodbeef on Sept 20, 2002 14:14:31 GMT 1
Hey Kenjar,
Did you have a 1450? I used to have a Cockshutt one. It was a very good tractor. Matter of fact it was what sent me down the road away from owning all Deere tractors and equipment! I have not looked back since. especially with brands like Valtra,Steyr,Zetor,etc out there to pick from!!
Hey Triple F,
That UTB 650,was it a different design than the 640? I've seen a couple of the 650s here,and they deffinately do not look to be fathered by Fiat. I guess that they are like the bigger ones(850 and up) UTB designed.
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Post by kenjar on Sept 21, 2002 3:02:24 GMT 1
Hey Pudding,
Thanks for the link. That 1450 would of been a Fiat 615.
Its tomorrow. I am reminding you of the 462.
Hey Triple F,
I think we only got the 2wd version of the 415(Oliver 1250). DT models weren't popular here in the US at that time.
We had a 570 model, it was a orchard version of the 580.
The Fiat tractors were sold in the US as Hesston's during the 1980's. They shared the same model numbers.
Hey Woodbeef,
No on the 1450. That model was rare in this part of the states. only remember seeing a couple around. Did try getting a 1465. Dealer sold it while I was trying to get it at a better price. Can't win them all. I have always thought Fiat offered decent kit.
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Post by Woodbeef on Sept 21, 2002 3:48:47 GMT 1
Ya, I have to agree on the Ollie /Cockshutt 1250 being only twd. The 1255 were available in mfd though
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Post by Farmer from Finland on Sept 21, 2002 20:48:13 GMT 1
Hi frends.
My memory tilted sometimes.There at home i took the binder and from this i toke a small booh,name is La Gamma Fiatagri,it's printed year 1984 and i have taken it with me when i visited Agricultural exhibition in Italy year 1984.
In this book the brand is FiatAgri/Laverda/Hesston.
There is mentioned model 570.Those days Versatile were just fitted this combination,also Hesston.Lacerda Made Combines,some couples of those were imported also to finland.
Versatile models were FIAT 44-28,and 44-33.Maybe somewhere in Europe somebody have it,but i don't know Versatile models.
In this book is shown Hesston balers and forage harvesters also.
Kenjar,i know that mechanical 4-wheel drive were'nt popular in US.When 4WD started gone more popular in Finland,it starts by Zetor,Fiat and Belarus.Fiat started marketing very stronly,they used demo tarctors in ploughing etc..And competitors said that 4WD is s**t,its complicated,needs maintenance and....(during 70s)
One arcument to stay in 2WD were that in US farmers are using big 2WG tractors,so also we don't need 4WD.
And in us you spoke(speak) some kind of front drive assist..or something.
By the way,i were in first group taking 4WD to use.Small and oldfashion but still...
Nowadays 98% of tractors are sold 4WD....
FFF
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Post by pudding on Sept 22, 2002 1:36:30 GMT 1
hey FFF, the fiat/versitile rigs were in the tractor and machinery or classic tractor magazine a wee while back could ask here, they will have back issues for sale www.classictractormagazine.co.uk/they are great looking machines there are also pictures of them on www.farmphoto.comkenjar, how wide, and high was the 570f?......you didn't have the real narrow one did you?....like under 3-1/3ft? laters pudding |
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Post by kenjar on Sept 22, 2002 16:26:24 GMT 1
Hi Triple F, The MFD started to gain acceptance here in the 1980's. We have always called tractors like the Versatile, 4WD and those with mechanical front wheel drives, MFD. Hi Pudding, So there is a Same in Oliver clothing. Do you know what model Same the 462 was based on? Wonder where they marketed them. Probably is a Saturno out there some where with Oliver colors. Hey, found a Hercules 160 for sale in NY state. |
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