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Post by Woodbeef on Sept 24, 2002 13:10:03 GMT 1
Today in Hungary Valtra unveiled their newest tractors. www.valtra.com The "T" was expected,the revamped M100 ala "A" was not really. I've known about the shuttle for awhile,but not the rest. As for the "F" line well .........it is totally new. If you look at the pics you'll also notice a few new metallic colors. |
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Post by eppie on Sept 24, 2002 13:38:05 GMT 1
Hungry for a Valtra, Woodbeef?
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Post by Martijn Oortgiese on Sept 24, 2002 21:09:52 GMT 1
The look very nice. good looking tractor. When will they introduce the CVT transmission?
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Post by Woodbeef on Sept 25, 2002 0:25:51 GMT 1
Hey Renze,
Naw the "T" is too big for my needs!!
Hey Martijn,
Why does Valtra need a CVT tranny? Not every company needs to offer one now do they?
Just like in cars an auto tranny is nice,but I'd much sooner have a clutch in my full sized 4wheel drive farm pick-up.
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Post by Jon B on Sept 25, 2002 2:52:02 GMT 1
No kidding eh Woodbeef
Some considered Valtra "old school" because they have no powershift, now Martjin is calling Valtra "old school" because they have no CVT (or IVT, or whatever)
There's more then one way of skinning a cat. Valtra has the hi-shift and hi-trol, making them the leader in the standard H pattern transmission market. It is a proven system, so why go elsewhere?
They're sharp looking tractors that'll do well.
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Post by kenjar on Sept 25, 2002 2:54:20 GMT 1
Hey Woodbeef, I know you are smiling, man! They look good. Have made a few changes to the HiTechs. Guess the smaller 6000s will be upgraded later. Get you one of those A95s in silver or is that metallic gray. They do have some different colors. Just gonna make it harder on you when it comes time to pick a color.  |
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Post by Xavier on Sept 25, 2002 20:07:19 GMT 1
Well the T series is a good looking tractor, they are only 6 cil HiTech with a new body and more hid capacity. Well this is a plus point for everybody who looks a reliable tractor, because T aren't really a new tractor. Same transmision, and many motors are equal only the new sigma power. Another powershift gear (4) is urgent to be in the top, why not S transmision. About CVT, seems that a tractor with sigma power, i suppose for use with large mowers or with a forage harvester, will marry well. Maybe next movement, this is the reason for not changing the old transmision?  A is only name changing. Reverser cluctch free is avaliable? About F i'm sorry but i haven't found information of this, is a orchard? Valtra T seems to me a good option, but here in Catalonia there isn't a reasonable service. |
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Post by kenjar on Sept 26, 2002 2:55:00 GMT 1
Hi Xavier, I think the new T series are a refinement of the current HiTech. Just taken something good and made it better. They are pleasing to the eye. The "F" is a new forest tractor line. Go to the Valtra site Woodbeef posted, once there, click on "From felling to transport". There are some photos at the bottom of the page. |
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Post by HPP on Sept 26, 2002 11:15:49 GMT 1
Hey Woodbeef!
Sorry but can´t help commenting your posting where you asked why Valtra would need a "Vario" (sorry again, I´m a Fendt-man and i just can´t help it!)
Just read this morning from the homepage of one of our swedish farmmagazines ATL and also on profi´s homepage the press information from Hungary. The reporters from ATL and profi were there along with journalists from around 30 countries.
The finns (I guess the man himself Hannu Niskanen) was asked by the reporters when they were going to introduce a IVT and were given the answer that it will not take long. They are, at the moment testing and modifying the ZF Eccon-trannie.
So, I guess what I couldn´t help saying is that a lot of you guys may think that the IVT is not needed for the Valtras but apparently the Valtrapeople themselves don´t agree with you.
As I´ve stated before:
20 years ago we were discussing FWD or not.
15 years ago we were discussing EHR (or EPC if you prefer that) or not.
10 years ago we were discussing front axle suspension or not.
Now the discussion is "Vario" or not. (It took 5 years because it´s only now that more than one manufacturer can offer it!)
Today very few farmers will buy a used 2WD.
Today most farmers who are looking for used tractors prefer the ones with electrohydraulics and the front axle suspension.
What type of trannie do you think tey´ll be looking for tomorrow?
OK, I know! My blood is probably green, but I must ask - why would every tractorbuilder struggle as much as they do to get some type of IVT-trannie as soon as possible if all of them weren´t allready convinced that this is the only way to go?
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Post by Woodbeef on Sept 26, 2002 12:27:29 GMT 1
Hey HPP,
Yes,it looks like they'll be getting one in the future. I always thought it would be the Stronic though myself,with their ties to Steyr. Not sure though which ones we'll see it in. A new 4cyl updated HiTech with a Vario type tranny would be quite an interesting tractor.......especially with the Valtra option list!!
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Post by Farmer from Finland on Sept 26, 2002 12:58:39 GMT 1
I looked also new Valtra and i'm little bit disapointed for the transmission,i wait 4 step power shift.
But HPP have much same thinking as i have.
It's logical way for Valtra use some ready construction unfortunately they don't have forces make own Vario/CVT gearbox.
other thing is that some farmer said that he don't remember any change at all what farmers haven't opposed.Thats true.
Anyway,Vario is confortable in use,unfortunately for me maybe too expensive and also there is other things.
For field operation and transportation very good product
FFF
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Post by HPP on Sept 26, 2002 15:07:33 GMT 1
Hey Woodbeef,
Didn´t I catch somewhere that ZF bought the Steyr Getriebe? Wouldn´t we be getting towards the day when the S-Tronic and the Eccom are melted down to one product? I mean, they´re not really that far away from each other, by means of concept. I think I also remember that one of the first things ZF did after having purchased Steyr (am I senil or.....they did take over it didn´t they??) was to change the clutches from "claw-clutches" to multi-disc clutches, like the ones ZF had from the beginning.
Guess I´m on thin ice here but I do think that´s what happened (or did I just dream the whole thing?).
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Post by Woodbeef on Sept 26, 2002 19:03:31 GMT 1
Hey HPP,
Naw,your not senile,or at least not yet!! ZF did buy Steyr Powertrain. So yes,we'll probably be seeingt one box with the best from both in it.
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Post by eppie on Sept 26, 2002 20:58:57 GMT 1
Hey, how do these claw clutches work in it?
Is it connecting the next pair of wheels, and directly after this, deconnecting the previous set of gears when shifting? I think, when they connect and deconnect the claw clutches at the same time, this took some hours from the PLC proggers !! (once had the old 4712 in two gears at once: Stuck as a rock!! released the excessive shifted gear with a screwdriver )
Or does it have a secundary shaft, to transfer the power during gearshift, when no other clutch is connected.
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