SAME Tractors ... Rust problems

[megan]

I want to buy a used SAME probably an Explorer or in any case something in the 80 hp range 4WD.
Everything I see which is say pre 1994 seems to be eaten with rust though in many cases in very good mechanical order.
Is this a common problem with SAME.
Dose any UK member of this board have a good condition SAME 4 WD for sale ......... Im up for it if its good and without rust.

[eppie]

SAME Tractors ... IS... Rust problems

[Steppenwolf]

Megan,
It maybe a local problem, the UK is surrounded by sea. Could be the salt air, have not noticed this problem in drier climates.

Born to be Wild,
the 'wolf

[eppie]

Anything italian, from cars to tractors, have the name to be rusty.

[Woodbeef]

I think you might be on to something Renze. Look at the cabs used on the Massey 600 series.

[eppie]

Hey Woodbeef,

There is an export company in the Netherlands, advertising:

"Wanted: MF 600 series for export, rusty cab is no problem"

No wonder why MF is so good on the southern export markets....

If you want to make money, start a company dealing in MF retrofit cabs. (this time with good paint..)

I think they dont have the right treatment before they paint the cabs. The machines we make at my work, at Buiting ( www.buitingstaalbouw.nl ) are always sand-blasted. The italians might have never heard of it.

(P.S. every winter, we make about 40 silage wagons for Veenhuis. You might have seen them, or their dumpers on your side of the pond)


By the way: have you found the 6340 loader tractor you wanted ??

[Woodbeef]

Hey Renze,

No,no Zetor yet. Only a couple of 6340s around for sale. One was beat to death,the other is more expensive than the Valmet 6400 with TwinTrac I'm looking at.

The Steyr is still running good(but getting a bit long in the tooth),so I might go for the Valmet as a field tractor first,then worry about a loader tractor later on down the road.

[eppie]

Hey Woodbeef,

I have got a bag of new leaflets and folders from the dealer. The 7245 and 7745 also have (dry) disk brakes. (probably the same dry disks as on the UR2 and UR3)
I think the master cylinders and water pump problems are easy to deal with. Some say they run them 1500 hrs, some run 6000 hrs with the same water pump and master cylinders. I think a 72 or 77 would do as good as a 63 or 73 if your dealer has the master cylinders and water pump on shelf, just in case. According to the documents from the dealer, a shuttle reverser can be installed after market.

The drum brakes on our 5245 have a hard time to stop a 10 ton load. (i suppose you also want to hook the straw trailers behind the loader tractor)

[Woodbeef]

Hey Renze,

Only thing I haul are hay wagons. Might get a round bale wagon though,kinda gets tiring only hauling 9 at a time on a hay wagon.

[kenjar]

Megan,
I think Same has solved their rust problem. Newer models have there body components made out of Telene.

Woodbeef, you might get a Valmet? I know you have wanted one for awhile, go for it!

[megan]

Kenjar,

Since when have Same solved their rust problem.
On the Explorer model I have seen rusty examples as late as 1989 (very very rusty)

thanks

[Friedhelm]

Renze

I wondered some time ago what happened to Schrijver after the feeding machinery part was sold to Netagco/Trioliet. Have been to Broekland several times to fetch parts or pick up machines we sold.
Does Schrijver still sell Agricultural machinery or is this also been sold?

[kenjar]

Megan,
Not sure on the exact year, seems they switched to Telene only recently. Maybe within the last 4 or 5 years.

[paddyland]

Neighbour of ours has two Same 80 tractors (1990 and 1993) these came with the Zinc coated paint and seem ed to last well I think he sold the older one.

We live right beside the sea so if it is gonna rust it will here. There were small patches of tin beatle but nothing drastic.

So in my opinion go for an early 90s model

[eppie]

Friedhelm,

early 90's H.A.M. Schrijver was a big company, with several divisions:

- steel construction
- local dealership of John Deere, and of course Schrijver implements
- Custom machine manufacturing - mainly waste recycle techniques
- Schrijver agricultural implements and forklift implements manufacturing

The organisational system of the company was not up to the size the company had grown, and this was the indirect cause for a bankrupt around that time.

Mr. Buiting, my boss, was an employee of Schrijver steel construction at that time, and bought the steel construction division from his boss, mr. Schrijver, in 1996, and partly hired the buildings. Meanwhile, Buiting has a good name in special designer buildings, with all kinds of shapes, round, oval, anything you can think of. We made a factory plant at Cuba, an overhauled waste recycling line is sold to Russia. (we sold the customer a new one, the old one went to Russia) The underground train tunnel for the Amsterdam-Paris high speed train is being made with the castings from Buiting.
www.buitingstaalbouw.nl

Mr. Bruggeman, also an employee of the former Schrijver company, bought the agricultural dealership division. That company is also one of the larger dealerships of the Netherlands. Their second hand machinery stock counts around 20 tedders, 15 rakes, 20 silage block cutters, and loads of other machinery.
www.bmb-bruggeman.nl

The agricultural machinery production is bought by Trioliet-Mullos, later Netagco Holding. Both Trioliet and Schrijver machines are produced at the Trioliet plant. Though, these machines differ just in badge, not even in color. Still, farmers around the town Broekland demand for a Schrijver machine, even when they know it's a Trioliet !!! The contracts allowed Buiting to build just the former Schrijver V-shaped double earth blade, and the eight wheeled tandem axles, designed to be retrofitted under self loading hay wagons on boggy soils.
www.trioliet.nl

Buiting also took over the custom machine manufacturing and waste recycling. We make a type of waste chopper, powered by a 250 KW electropower engine. It smashes stones, steel and trees. After this, the chopped product is blown into a huge channel, with heavy rubber flaps hanging in it, and elevators on the bottom. It depends on the weight of the chopped product, how soon its velocity will be reduced by the rubber flaps, and will fall down onto a particular elevator.

A sub-division of the steel construction is the telecom.
We make masts, with a height of max. 50 meter, intended to carry mobile phone antennas.

We also make about 40 silage wagons for Veenhuis, on demand. We make them, Veenhuis installs hydraulic and electrical components, and mounts the steel sheets of the bucket.

By the way: Where do you live? What machines did you pick up in Broekland?