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Post by Woodbeef on Jul 23, 2002 12:22:17 GMT 1
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Post by AgMachinery on Jul 23, 2002 13:10:37 GMT 1
As you can clearly see on the prototype page the ideas for this Versatile track-tractor where already there before Buhler acquired the company. New Holland did build a tractor of these series with tracks some years ago. I do wonder if it is exactly the same...
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Post by Woodbeef on Jul 23, 2002 16:00:36 GMT 1
hey AgBoss,
I'm in the process of trying to find out if it is just the old NH technology or something Buhler devised themselves.
Is there anyway to enlarge the picture on the Prototypes page?
The tracked scraper looks good though!
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Post by eppie on Jul 23, 2002 18:10:19 GMT 1
Are the old NH 70/A series also sold as Versatiles now, when Buhler bought the plant ??
What is Buhler producing now?? The 170-240 hp Genesis series, Versatile articulateds and these tracked machines? All under the name Versatile??
I have seen that NH kept the bidirectional. Is it produced in a Buhler plant, or is it transferred to another NH plant when Buhler bought the winnipeg plant?
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Post by Red_Painter on Jul 23, 2002 22:01:27 GMT 1
Here's the Buhler site, Renze. www.buhler.com/sitefiles/index1.htm As far as I know they are building the big 4x4's under the Buhler-Versatile name and the Genesis under the Buhler-Genesis name though I haven't seen any since they may not have dealers in the northwest yet, but I have heard of reports of tractors in the midwest, the southwest, and Canada. The bidirectionals were being made in Winnipeg a few years ago when I was at the plant, but they are not made there anymore as they lost that contract during the big strike. I assume they're probably made in Fargo, which is a newer factory. As far as the tracked tractors, they haven't been introduced yet as far as I know. I assume they're still prototypes. |
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Post by Jon B on Jul 24, 2002 2:48:23 GMT 1
I like it. I like it a lot. Ha ha ha John Deere and CNH, who thought that Buhler would be Mr Insignificant in the tractor business. With this prototype, and hopefully full production, Mr John Buhler is saying "Look out ya'll, we got game too!"
Buhler does have an interesting fleet of small companies. Obviously Winnipeg is the big pickup, but they also have smaller names that are popular in North America (Farm King, Allied, Inland, etc). They recently, they picked up Alloway from John Deere.
What they need now is to acquire a company such as Bourgault or Great Plains, something that will get them in the seeding and big sprayer market, so that they can have their own dealer network. With the Versatile and Genesis, and the smaller lines, that might be too much for some "traditional brand" dealers to take on. IE some Case Dealers who previously sold Buhler stuff might not want Versatile and Genesis tractors in direct competition, and maybe Buhler might not want that either.
Red Painter - from what I gather, the Bi-directional is a New Holland product that stayed with them. The production got shifted to Fargo, I think. It might be Racine though.
The Versatile is an excellent product for those who want a dependable machine. The technology level might be 2-3, maybe 5 years behind, but the technology is proven not to give many problems. Solid dependable, and a fair amount cheaper
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Post by Woodbeef on Jul 24, 2002 3:04:32 GMT 1
Hey Ag Boss,
Yep,you were correct. My contact at CNH says that is the old NH hi-track design.
The Bi-Dis are being assembled in Fargo.
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Post by kenjar on Jul 24, 2002 4:22:23 GMT 1
Hey Woodbeef, maybe the big dogs are going to be running with Buhler. Check out their quarterly earnings, you don't have to be big to make $.
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Post by Woodbeef on Jul 24, 2002 14:22:23 GMT 1
Hey Kenjar,
You're absolutely correct there!!
I never thought you had to be the biggest to be the best!
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Post by eppie on Jul 24, 2002 16:14:01 GMT 1
Buhler should contact McCormick. (landini group)
Buhler misses - 170 hp lines, McCormick misses +170 hp lines. There are enough small companies which could be a nice addition to them.
Hey, does the Buhler Genesis still have the 7.5 litre Ford ?? If so, are these engines made in Basildon or Italy?? Or is it replaced by a Cummins.
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Post by Jarno Reulink on Jul 24, 2002 17:57:14 GMT 1
I've heard (in an Dutch tractor magazine a few years ago) that Newholland/Buhler dealer Little Morden, in Morden, Manitoba (Canada) has tested the New Holland Versatile on tracks, but he said the tracks were not strong enough, but Buhler want to continue with their prototypes??.....  , it's interesting....the tractor looks nice, it has the track design like the Massey prototype...isn't it? Jarno Reulink |
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Post by kenjar on Jul 24, 2002 21:07:51 GMT 1
Renze, the Genesis still have the 7.5 NH engine. Really don't know as to where it is manufactored.Basildon, possibly. McCormick's and Buhlers' product line would be a good match horsepower wise.
Jarno, the track design does favor the MF proto-type.
I wonder if it will go into production as is or if there will have to be changes made in its design.
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Post by European A on Jul 25, 2002 0:34:22 GMT 1
Really amazing pictures! It is an interesting design directly based on the Caterpillar´s elevated sprocket design mounted on bulldozers since 25 years ago. Anyway that design was first seen on the Cletrac tractor many, many years before.. ;D It would interesting to see that tractor crawling (impressive), although I don´t think CNH boys are worried at all. After all that is a New Holland´s development. If they allowed Buhler to use it, I don´t think they are afraid of anything... Otherwise they would have kept the rights to mount it as they did with the Super Steer axle or the bidirectional tractor to name a couple of examples. Just one more thing, people at forums usually claim the Quadtrack design is the best rubber track system for big tractors...  |
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Post by kevanos on Jul 25, 2002 17:11:35 GMT 1
Buhler builds the tractors under the "Buhler Versatile" name. You then have the Genesis series and the 4WD series. The engine for the Genesis is listed as a "Genesis" engine. The Versatile uses the Cummins diesel engines. They state on the website in a news release: "Buhler wants to offer “competitive technology,” Engel says. But he adds, “We do not intend to be a leading-edge research and development company. We might be three or four years behind the big boys in introducing new technology. Let them do the heavy lifting.” That brings up the question of pricing. Again, Engel says, the goal is to be competitive. “Our base pricing will be less – 5 to 10% less – than our major competitors’ [prices],” he notes. www.buhler.com/buhler/news/200204-04a.htm |
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Post by Xavier on Jul 25, 2002 19:58:48 GMT 1
Anybody know if Buhler will sell this tractors in UE?
The Versatile i suppose not, very few units to sold here, almost in my country.
But the Genesis could be a good option, more if it is cheaper than others...
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, it's interesting....the tractor looks nice, it has the track design like the Massey prototype...isn't it?