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Post by 'Guest' on Dec 13, 2001 9:16:03 GMT 1
Fendt should withdraw itself from the combine market. Basically they don't add anything to it. The machines are only MF-combines and nothing else. Be honest is MF that good?
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Post by 'Guest' on Dec 13, 2001 9:16:43 GMT 1
I think Fendt combines are better than MF because Fendt have better engines. The " small " have the Deutz 1013 watter cooled and the " big 2 have the V6 1015 Deutz watter cooled and MF have a Sisu engine
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Post by 'Guest' on Dec 13, 2001 9:17:15 GMT 1
Don´t forget the cab, much bigger and comfortable. Probably the biggest one in the market, although it was probably designed for the MF combines before AGCO had decided to market Fendt harvesters. I guess they fitted traditional MF cabs in the 7200 Series in order to point out the new Fendts with the bigger cabs...
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Post by leemsutton on Jul 21, 2002 12:15:30 GMT 1
are the fendt combines more expensive
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Post by kenjar on Jul 21, 2002 17:07:21 GMT 1
Just a guess Lee, they would be higher, by how much I would not know.
Are they available in the UK?
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Post by Si on Jul 22, 2002 22:03:35 GMT 1
No they are not available in the UK, most Fendt dealers are MF dealers as well, so sell MF combines. I think they are priced abroad more expensive than MF, but I'm not sure. Are many sold outside the UK??
Cheers
Simon
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Post by European A on Jul 22, 2002 23:11:39 GMT 1
About the different cab: just have a look at the current brochure of MF combines and you will realize there is a picture of a MF combine with the wide Fendt cab (the image shows the header). We could also see a picture of a Fendt combine under MF colours in a Profi issue... So I guess the MF combines were going to mount the wide cab, until AGCO decided to launch Fendt combines. Thus they had to add some features just to point the new combines out. Why not a better cab? Do not forget one of the reasons to launch the Fendt combines: an important German dealer needed combines to complete the products range as they had previously sold Claas combines (before AGCO bought Fendt).  |
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Post by Red_Painter on Jul 23, 2002 7:10:14 GMT 1
Referring to European A's comment on a particular German dealer needing combines so the Fendt was introduced, could someone tell me if Claas pulled dealerships from Fendt dealers in Germany after Agco bought the Fendt or did things stay pretty much the same as it is my understanding that many Fendt dealers were also Claas dealers.
I wonder if next year or soon Massey's will have larger cabs too. North American combines are supposed to come out with new cabs on the Gleaner and maybe on the new larger Massey rotary this fall. Don't know if there will be some common designs with the Dronningborg designs.
Hasn't Agco made a new harvesting development division for Europe? I wonder if there will someday be another merging harvester companies in the distant future. Keeping up with the big guys has to put pressure on those with smaller market share.
I'm also wondering if someday (not soon) there won't be some harvester cooperation between Claas and Agco in North America and Australia due to sharing of dealers and larger combines operated by fewer but much larger operators and smaller numbers of machines produced.
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Post by Friedhelm on Jul 23, 2002 7:36:51 GMT 1
Doesn´t work like AGCO would like to get it working. FENDT Combines are hard to sell. Most running are just leased and not sold. The bigger cab and the different pipe to unload the grain (What is the right name for it in english?) were making trouble. The different engine also had power problems. Everything they did not change is running well.
Fendt is priced above MF, but if it is going to be sold you should forget about any price list.
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Post by Hendrik17 on Jul 23, 2002 12:16:50 GMT 1
Hello Friedhelm,
afaik it is the "unloading auger" what you mean.
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Post by eppie on Jul 23, 2002 18:00:05 GMT 1
Ha Ha !!
Why did they have to change things on a good working machine??
It's just to justify the extra money they take for green paint and Fendt badges. I agree, Fendt shouldn't sell combines.
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Post by F6L913 on Jul 23, 2002 20:22:21 GMT 1
Hey Friedhelm, what kind of engine problems have Fendt combines?
Overheating ? minus power than Sisu?
Just curious how the watter cooled Deutz are going in the combines.
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Post by Friedhelm on Jul 24, 2002 7:51:21 GMT 1
Hi.
Not enough Power compared to the Sisu engine. This problem gets bigger because the different unloading auger design needs a lot of power more. The airco also changed some time later because the airco first mounted was to weak for the "big" cabin. Needs also more power. One thing more: Contractors hate big cabins at my place here because the farmer wants to ride with him the whole time. If its narrow he will leave the cain soon. ;D
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Post by Woodbeef on Jul 24, 2002 14:30:29 GMT 1
Hey Red_Painter,
From what I understand it was Agco's decsion about Fendt dealers selling Claas machines. Might have had a lingering affect on the Challenger outcome also.
Claas has since hooked up with Valtra in many areas for joint marketing.
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Post by F6L913 on Jul 24, 2002 20:37:43 GMT 1
Hey, i don't know where is the problem.
Fendt says 350 HP for his 8350 combine and MF says 325 for his 7276. Do you think the new unloading system spend more than 25 HP than the old one?
The Fendt is powered by a 6 in V with a 12L displacement versus the 6 in line 8.4 L of the Sisu. The Deutz have more torque and HP than the Sisu.
Model by model the Fendt have always 20 or more HP than the MF. I don't understand this, please help!!!
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