Schlepper Bundesliga

[Xavier]

Thanks Kenjar and HPP.

Laapa i agree with you there are too much Mercedes, could it be that second hand units are counted there?
With the Catalonian laws if you import a tractor you must immatriculate it in the traffic office, then it counts like a new tractor to the oficial stadistics, it could be the same situation.
I have posted it in the Profi germany version a few months ago, and there is no response to it.

In other hand, why in the USA aren't publicated the sales of every brand? It seems to me that USA there is a political of free information, why the officials don't give to the farmers this information.
Its a weapon too, poor sales they must sold in December.
I don't understand all this secretism, here in the UE there is a similar situation.

[HPP]

Oh Xavier, as I posted earlier : The Mercedes in the german statistics are all Unimogs, no MB-Tracs there.
As for registration : it´s the same here in Sweden, and I think in most countries. Sometimes we have problems in finding the used Fendt tractor that our customers want, then we sometimes get it from our friend Alex, the danish importer and, no matter how old, it´s registred as new.

[Laapa]

Hey HPP, won't be done Peaing (That was funny!) untill September i think. Gonna be a long season with this cold summer.

Yep, we were at Reimers the other day. I work evenings even weeks (such as now) and mornings uneven weeks. I'm in harvester #28. We are working around Anderslöv and Stora Marike now. Do stop by sometime.
By the way: did you notice the two new Deeres, we got a 6620 and a 6920 on the crew. Really nice! You should try to open the bosses eyes to Fendt sometime though.

[HPP]

Tried to do that last fall. I was there with a 926, plowing for two days. Even the owner, nice guy, was out there driving the 926 for a couple of hours. I think he said at least three times: -"Wow, I really like this tractor!"
Can´t help being a little disappointed though. Not that I lost the deal - you do get used to that. No, the thing was that them buying an 8250 was something I "heard through the grapevine". I´d think the least you could do as a customer was to come back with the information that you decided to buy something else.

[HPP]

Oh, sorry. Got you wrong there Laapa!
I thought you ment the bosses at Stora Markie.
No I get it that you ment the bosses at Findus, right?
Well that´s out of my territory.
And, btw, I didn´t see those JD:s. Tried not to look. Allergic you see!

[Laapa]

Yeah I did mean the Findus bosses, but reading my post I can see how one could miss it. St Markie would be nice customers too, but i'm pretty sure getting the Findus deal would create more sales volume.

[HPP]

Promised to post the salesfigures for Sweden, and here it is:
Publiced to day at the ATL homepage.

Swedish market 2002 jan-jun:
Make - Units (Units last year jan-jun) Marketshare

Valtra - 505 (595) 25.8%
New Holland - 345 (361) 17.6%
Massey - 321 (314) 16.4%
John Deere - 307 (394) 15.6%
CaseIH - 265 (219) 13.5%
Lamborghini - 45 (46) 2.3%
Deutz - 36 (30) 1.8%
Fendt 33 (29) 1.7%
Zetor 26 (29) 1.3%
McCormick 18 (0) 0.9%
Hürlimann 16 (4) 0.8%
Same 14 (22) 0.7%
Belarus 12 (34) 0.6%
Steyr 6 (4) 0.3%
Ursus 4 (8) 0.2%
Landini 3 (0) 0.2%
Others 5 (14) 0.3%

Total 1 961 (2 103)

Sorry Renze, can´t help it!

[kenjar]

Hey guys,

Anyone read Profi? The German version ?

There was an article on the Zetor 106.41. in the Juli issue. Just wanted to know what it was about.

Thanks, kenjar.

[HPP]

Profi, july issue. Yes. Problem is I haven´t really had the time to go through all of it yet. I´ll get around to it during the weekend and get back to you.
See there´s also a follow up on the CVT-tranny article series. How to manouver the different things. Interesting.
The article on the Zetor is, I thin´k, a test drive. Must admit, the articles on Zetor aren´t the ones I study before anything else.

To get back to the topic:
Hey Webmaster, I think Xavier had a good point in asking if it wouldn´t be possible to sort of put up a chart of salesfigures for different countries!
I´d like that, and as I can gather from the reactions here I think more of us would.

[HPP]

Out of topic:
Hey Laapa,
are you working hard or hardly working?
Seems like you are working a bit too hard to me. See, as I can understand this is not an even week as you stated. According to my calendar this week is 27 and that sounds uneven to mee.

[kenjar]

Hi HPP,

I was hoping you or Friedhelm might have seen this months Profi. Please report back about the Zetor article. I thought it might be of interest to me and Renze as well.
Profi International had a comparison on the CS150 and CVT150.
On your chart for Germany, I was surprised by the number of Vario sales. Looks like Fendt will be market leader in Germany this year.

Xavier,

I don't know why brand sales figures are not available for the US. It is common knowledge that Deere is first and CaseIH is second. I too, would like to see the numbers and know how the rest are doing.

[Fred]

In the UK I think numbers are calculated through the road registrations, so any tractor not registered for road travel would not be in sales figures, hence tractors less than 40 hp are not included, in UK almost all +40hp tractors are road registered. Anyone know otherwise? The release of data from the UK is delayed for 12 months from year end due to a competition ruling from Brussells. Why this is not true for the rest of the EU I don't know.
The latest data is available from the AEA web site, where company sales for 1999 an 2000 are posted plus total registrations for this year.

www.aea.uk.com/industry.htm

I don't want to copy their data, but in respect of it Agco split massey/fendt will be similar to Sweden, not Germany. Traditionally Ford were number 1 (for 25 years) closely followed by MF. Deere did not enter until 1968, save a handful of tractors and sat at 14% for the 1980's, seems the marketing dept. got their selves into gear. CIH were holding their own, any comments Si, but Fiat and Agco certainly have not helped sales of Ford/NH or MF.

Total sales were down last year due to Foot and Mouth and hence the better sales this compared with last.

With the fluctuations in total sales will the great green giant remain on top?

[eppie]

Laapa:

"To pea or not to pea, that's the question !!"

[Friedhelm]

Kenjar

I´ve read the article about the Zetor. Mainly the tractor got a good result overall. For the price (40.000,- Euro Vat included) a interesting tractor. Comfort is not on the level he should have. Realiabiltiy and resale price were points which profi thinks this could be points the tractor is not as good as others. But they think it is an alternativ to other low priced and low spec tractors.

Sales numbers in Germany are something to handle carefully. Jd numbers are inclusive Lawn mowers. Fendt sells a lot of that vineyard tractors and the 300 C tractors so the number of sold Fendt tractors are not only Varios.

[Hendrik]

Friedhelm,

do you mean the JD 4000 series tractors when you say "lawn mowers"? All other JD lawn mowers need no road registration and so they don´t appear in the sales statisics. When you look at the homepage of that AGCO brand which you sell (the red ones - right? - i think i know you from the german "profi" forum) you will also see "lawn mowers" (1200 series), same thing with NH (GT, TCD, MC series) or Deutz-Fahr (Agrokid). Do you remeber the december (2000 and 2001) issue of the german farm magazine "DLZ". They listed the tren most sold tractor types - without "lawn mowers". AFAIK 6 or 7 of them - in 2000 and 2001 - were JD or Fendts.