Lee why look at a badge-engineered CVT???

[Woodbeef]

Why not look at the real thing a Steyr CVT instaed of its uglier looking CIH clone?

As Laapa coined the term,awhile back you're not becoming a "Redneck" on us now are you?

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sadly woodbeef,

we can no longer get steyr over here as there all colured red now. i am sure i could find a used one but new - not a chance.

i was actually talking about this last week with our CIH dealer and he said you'll never get one now in steyr colours in the UK!

got any bright ideas - what to do?

[Laapa]

In Sweden, the NH importer acctually added the Steyr CVT to his product lineup last year, I guess to compensate for not having a Vario/CVT/Autopowr transmission in any of the blue machines.
Perhaps that's just over here but I seems to make sence. Maybe some other dealer will bring it in for you.

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12 New Holland dealers in Denmark sell Steyr CVT as well.

JH DENMARK

[Woodbeef]

Hmm....I was under the impression that CNH was going to handle the Steyr sales in house for the U.K., that's why they took it away from Bonhill. I'll check it out.

Do you know of a dealer by the name of David Tunstall? If so contact them about Steyrs. www.dumahcom.u-net.com/david/home.htm

[HPP]

Found this topic back there from ancient times and couldn´t keep my fingers from it, sorry!
Yes Lee, why go for something rebadged? OK I read your answer as well so I know why by now. But still - why not go for the original CVT? Of course I mean the one that has all the experience and not one of those who are sarting to try them out to see if they can manage to build them properly! Remember that it´s you guys who buy those machines who are really the testing and developing departments of those manufacturers!
Yes, I realize, that was maybe a little too much! Sorry again!
So, to smoothen it out a bit : Lee, if you really have to get a Steyr, do go for the black one! It´s a truly nice design if I might say so!

[eppie]

Hey HPP,

You should post that reply to another topic, it's called:
"the deeroid award goes to Laapa" or something like that. Steyr developed their S-matic independently from Fendt. They started the development late eighties, early nineties.
To follow up in your line of suggestive quotes:
Steyr developed the S-matic, before release for production ZF took them over. A year later, ZF comes with a similar CVT with also four ranges, but replaced the bad working claw shifts with powershift packages.
What if ZF brought the S-matic concept directly to Fendt design tables??

I am sure the S-matic was no copied/camouflaged badge engineered Fendt concept.

To give an example of the best badge-engineering ever:

Hans Ledwinka, chief engineer and designer at Tatra, made his brand succesfull with alumina OHC V8 engines, placed in the world's first streamlined car. And that all happened in the thirties. So they were 20 to 30 years ahead of the rest. He not just designed the very modern limousines, but also a TV570 prototype car, a flat OHC four cylinder engine rear mounted, to make it affordable for every labourer.
Hans Ledwinka spoke a lot with Ferdinand Porsche, with which he shared ideas, and they were also close friends.

Ferdinand Porsche was ordered by Hitler, to design a reliable, easy to repair, easy to build 'car for the people', or in German, Volkswagen. Hitler put so much pressure on Ferdinand Porsche, that he could only do one thing: copy the concept of his friend Hans Ledwinka, so that he could accomplish his task in the very short time limit he was given. Hans Ledwinka, and Tatra company, took the case to cord, because more than 15 Tatra patents were used in the Volkswagen, or KdF-wagen, as it was called first. Hitler had the final solution for this problem, he occupied Czechia and all Tatra patents were confisquated. Meanwhile, these patents are used in more than 25 million Volkswagen Beetle cars.

SOOO....
People say Hitler was a sick genius, but at least he made the highways and the VW.

He only made the German highways, and stole the VW. I hope this is an extra argument against Hitler for those skinheads with sympathies for that mustache monster.

The only fact that keeps me respecting Ferdinand Porsche is the Porsche sports car (also based on VW/Tatra tv570 concept) and the Algaier/porsche tractors.

I am NOT calling ANYONE a Hitler. (you might think something of it..)

[HPP]

Wasn´t referring to Steyr only there, sorry.
Still however have the impression that Hans Marshall of the Fendt construction departement was the one who cracked the idea, or at least came up with a bright solution.
What is also obvious is the fact that the guys in Marktoberdorf have been out there in the field for quite a while now with the Vario. There are some twenty tousand units working. That´s what I referred to when I was talking about experience.
Funny thing : In the swedish version of The Furrow they said that last year "a number of units" of the Autopowr were out for practical tests in several countries in Europe.
In the german version of the same article they say that last year TEN units were out. That´s what I referred to when I was talking about lack of experience.

[paddyland]

Lee

The guys who make the Norton trailers I think they are Steyr mad give them a shout they might be able to help you never know. Ireland still has Steyr tractors through three or four dealers