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Post by kenjar on Jun 11, 2002 19:45:12 GMT 1
Good question Renze, I don't have the answer.
Laapa, the book by Olov Hedell, any similarities to the one by Hannu Niskanen? The titles are very close( Valmet - Valtra)
Finally a Valmet that even Woodbeef would not like. If you get tired of sitting you can always stand in that cab.
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Post by Woodbeef on Jun 11, 2002 22:06:12 GMT 1
Hey Kenjar,
Check out page 5 of Hannu's book for an explanation.
Now lets not blame our Swedish friends who built that tractor,for the Butt-Ugly cab that was grafted onto it once it crossed the pond!!
Renze,
Once again you guys are way ahead of us. if I remember correctly safety cabs have been the law since the late 60s or so in Europe. Because of this more R&D money has been put into ergonomics and sound deadening for cabs in Europe. Sometimes you'd almost feel that cabs are an afterthought over here!!
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Post by kenjar on Jun 11, 2002 22:23:45 GMT 1
Woodbeef,
I thought about it after I had posted. Guess you would call it hindsite.
We will have to take the blame for the cab. Yankee engineering at its worst.
There was an article in Hotline about Valtra. They interviewed Thurman Kirkland and Kimmo Lannenpaa.The gentlemen talked about Valtra here in the US. One comment was that 2001 sales were double that of the previous year. They expect to double them again this year.
Seems we will have to wait till next year for the S. The S should become available by spring 2003.
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Post by Red_Painter on Jun 11, 2002 22:39:00 GMT 1
Truly that is an ugly cab, though sold in the late 60's, it is from a design used in the 50's on wheatland tractors which had the operators platform behind the rear axle and the driver sat quite low compared to row crop tractors. The odd looking cab was made for larger tractors. I've seen one on a Minneapolis Moline and on a larger tractor with long hood it looks somewhat better. If you want to see a common type cab used on American tractors from the mid 60's till early70's go to www.forty-twenty.com/ and go to 4020 photos and the cab with yellow doors on the frontwheel drive 4020 towards the bottom has an add on cab that was common in that era and could be purchased in different colors for make of tractor. Many companies purchased of built similar cabs which were more practical and not so odd looking. I have traveled extensively in the prairie provences and alot of cabs on Volvo tractors were not that style though many cabs used seem to disproportionately tower over the rest of the tractor. The low slung(non row crop) design of the Volvo made them look odd with high cabs like that one. The European cabs on the Volvo were quite good looking. It's too bad they weren't sold on the Coop tractors. When the Coop went to Deutz colors and tractors they had nice looking machines. |
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Post by eppie on Jun 12, 2002 19:13:09 GMT 1
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Post by Red_Painter on Jun 13, 2002 4:18:28 GMT 1
The 1955 cab looks nice, Renze. It seems to follow the 1950's auto designs. While mounting corn pickers on tricycle tractors in America made cabs on tractors impractical in earlier times until the cornhead on combines replaced the cornpicker in the 60's, Minneapolis Moline developed a cab that was ahead of it's time in 1938. Check out www.ytmag.com/contents/atp1566.htm |
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Post by eppie on Jun 13, 2002 18:18:00 GMT 1
Hey, it looks like the LANZ Eilbulldog (speed bulldog, 40km/h) or Hanomag road tractors.
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Post by Red_Painter on Jun 14, 2002 0:23:48 GMT 1
I think I've seen pics of the Hanomag. Don't remember seeing the pics of the speed Bulldog. I would like to hear and see one of those Lanz bulldog's run. I once heard an old Rumley two cylinder run. There may be some similarity since Rumley came from Germany before settling in Indiana and building his popular tractors and early combines.
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Post by eppie on Jun 14, 2002 17:55:10 GMT 1
Ha ha..
They run like bOPfff, bOPfff..
That one cylinder hotbulb oilburner was quite legendary. They pulled better than anything, lasted longer than anything, but you were a broken man after operating a day on those tractors, no one could bear those vibrations of the huge one cylinder. You could say the tractors could bear more than the operators.
In 1959, JD started building high-rev short stroke four cylinders in that factory. We had a successor of those, a 41 hp. It was not strong enough to pull a 5.5 M3 manure tank. The 4712 (Yes, the Red-painted Zetor, with a 3cyl 45 hp) pulled the new 6m3 tank with 3 meter cultivator. Perhaps a Lanz could match that?
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