|
|
Post by Woodbeef on Dec 28, 2001 15:49:36 GMT 1
How well did the Kimco mfd axle hold up in the 2204,2254 tractors? Does anyone know how many were made?
Hey Laapa, the V-BM large tractor was sold as the Valmet 2600 in Tanzania into the late 80s early 90s
|
|
|
|
Post by Laapa on Dec 30, 2001 20:49:48 GMT 1
I will find out how many were built. As far as I know the axle was well buildt and held up well. It was not a pretty design, quite big and bulky and had pretty bad turningradius.
I did not know of the 2600 tractor in Tanzania (picture...?) and I also found out just the other day that Valmet (8600) were built in MasseyFerguson factory. Did production stopp after MF being part of AGCO?
|
|
|
|
Post by Woodbeef on Dec 31, 2001 12:53:13 GMT 1
Was the axle the same as the one used on the early mfd IH 84 series(the ones with the in-line shifter)? These axles do not have the best of reputations over here.
The 2600 looks exactly like the other 2600s with out the cab.
In the mid 80s Valmet knew that it needed a newly designed larger hp tractor to replace the 20 year old V-BM design of the 2005 & 2105. Since VME was out of the ag-tractor business,and not interested in getting back into it,Valmet had to look elsewhere. In 1988 Massey began using Valmet engines in the larger tractors(3600 seies) made at Beauvais. So the driveline already was in production. At first they were only going to buy the tranny and rear axle, and then assemble them in Suolahti. Instead the whole tractor was built in Beauvais,with Valmet styling and other engineering differences. The 8300(140 hp) and 8600(170 hp) were made from 1989 until 1993-94. There was a 8800 (190 hp)also but only marketed in certain areas from what I can find. After that Valmet made their own higher hp tractors. Steyr also used this same route from 1993 until CIH bought them out and replaced the M/F with a Magnum. The Steyr sizes were the 9155(155 hp) 9170(170 hp) 9190(190 hp). Steyr used the same stlying and engineering changes as Valmet did. The engines were actually developed as a joint venture between Valmet and Steyr in the mid 80s.
|
|
|
|
Post by Woodbeef on Jan 2, 2002 14:16:11 GMT 1
The last ones built in 1996 were the 8850,only ten were built and all were sold in France. The 8600 was the most popular model. In total about 1000 were made in Beauvais for Valmet.
|
|
|
|
Post by Laapa on Jan 4, 2002 18:16:24 GMT 1
Woodbeef, as many times before your knowledge amazes me.
Here's what I found out:
T800 (1966-1979) 4466 made, rear-wheel-drive
T810 (1969-1979) Turbo version of T800 (visual difference: bonnet 100 mm wider) 3550 made
T814 (1969-1979) T810 w mfd (front/four-wheel-drive) 1647 made. (powered) front axle from BM LM640 loadingmachine. strong but bulky axle.
2650 (1979-1983) 523 made restyled T810, turbo, rearwheeldrive
2654 (1979-1983) 1255 made restyled T814, turbo, mfd (same front axle as T814)
2600 (1981-1983) export version of 2650, no cab etc. 1477 made. 225 were later converted for the nordic market. Since they differed slightly from the "real" 2650 they were renamed 2650S
VolvoBMValmet 2005 (1985-1987)
after the Volvo-Valmet deal valmet were without tractors in the high-hp range (untill the MF-built 8600) and contracted the Volvo plant to restart building tractors based on the T800/2650 series. The 2005 had turbo and mfd, front axle was made by ZF. Old cab from 2650 was kept but a new bonnet similar to the new valmets was fitted. 455 were made.
VolvoBMValmet 2105 (1985-1987)
same as 2005 with intercooler (turbo, mfd) 545 made
hope this answers some of your questions
|
|
|
|
Post by Laapa on Jan 4, 2002 18:20:25 GMT 1
Gotta proofread more...
upon re-reading your original question, Woodbeef, i discovered you acctually asked for the 2250 tractors, not 2650.
My mistake, posting useless information...
|
|
|
|
Post by Woodbeef on Jan 4, 2002 18:35:50 GMT 1
Thanks for the info.
I would have asked for those bigger ones eventually.
Are there any good books written about the Volvo tractor lines? In English of course.
I find the Nordic tractors quite interesting myself. Not really sure why,though. Maybe because I need something that will start in a Great Lakes winter,and be dependable!! Of course the Nordic ladies sure don't hurt the eyes either!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Laapa on Jan 5, 2002 13:12:11 GMT 1
Hey, Woodbeef.
Funny story
My dad told me a friend of his was going to work in Canada as a trainee in the 1970's.
He was told by the farmer in advance they had a tractor called "Viking". The trainee had never heard of this novelty brand before an was anxious to see what it was as he got there. He was very suprised to find out the "Viking" was a Volvo T800. This "exlusive" machine was the same as he had been driving for years back home....
Question, I know Co-Op imported Volvo BMs to Canada. Do you know if they were, as Co-Op's Steigers, repainted Orange?
Also, were they actually called Viking or was it just a nickname on the farm? Perhaps the fact that Volvo were made in a "cold" country is why they were sold in Canada. Canada was also the target of Volvos articulated prototype in the 70s (prototypesection of this website)
I was thinking about the 2600's in Tanzania you mentioned. Since Volvo did make a tractor called 2600 (cabless export version of 2650), might they be exactly the same machine? I suppose tinwork and engines have been altered.
I know there are some books about Valtra/Valmet that have been translated into english, they will most likely cover Volvo machines to some extent. Try contacting Valtra through their website, I know they sell books at their stand at ag-shows, perhaps if you ask nicely they can have one autograhped for you by a certain former European Champion tractor puller...
BTW regarding your original question, was the Kimco mfd axle the hydrostatic drive one?
|
|
|
|
Post by Woodbeef on Jan 6, 2002 0:46:38 GMT 1
Hmmm.... autographed copy,eh??? Only problem is that all of you guys who get to meet her never mention anything about me!! Actually I already have copies of the two books you are talking about. Hannu Niskanen has written From Munketells to Valtra and Valtra Tales which are the best tractor books I've ever laid eyes on!! They have some V-BM info,but you know me always looking for more,especially on Scandinavian tractors!! Unfortunately most of my V-BM brochures are in Swedish. Yes,the Co-Op V-BMs were called Vikings for awhile. They were painted an ugly orange and had a truly typical useless N.A. cab put on them. Check out www.agdealer.com for a couple of 650s and some 800 series pictures. They seem to have been more popular in the west,but that is also where most of the Scandinavian people went when they came here. Incidentally in the late 80s VdB tractors were sold in North America by a company called Viking Tractors. The Valmet 2600 looks exactly like the V-BM one,only difference I can see is it says Valmet on it The Kimco axle was mechanical drive. |
|
|
|
Post by Laapa on Jan 6, 2002 13:08:49 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by Woodbeef on Jan 6, 2002 13:32:22 GMT 1
Ahhh... you must mean the one with max-headroom for the guys that wear their 10 gallon hats!!
Yes,Butt-Ugly even does not do that cab justice!!
I think if we could have gotten the same cab on those as you guys did they would have sold more. The color could have been better too. I'm partial to BM green myself.
Once again Euro technology was ahead of us,especially cabs from Scandinavia!!
I just checked the agdealer,they must have sold the other two 800 series tractors. They were there last week or so.
Co-Op also brought in some D-F tractors for awhile too.
|
|
|
|
Post by laapa@swipnet.se on Jan 8, 2002 16:15:03 GMT 1
... the answer to your original question.
According to the book "Från Munktells till Valmet" (From Munktells to Valmet) by Olov Hedell (2000). The 2200/2250/2204/2254 were updated versiuons of T500. 2200@56hp and 2250@68hp.
They were available with mfd after demand from the norwegian market. In many ways they were based on IH components. The mfd axle was Kimco, (according to the author) they were sensitive to vertical load. All tractors had cab since they were aimed at the Scandinavian market.
numbers made (1978-1981):
2200 - 1819
2204 (mfd) - 320
2250 - 2960
2254 (mfd) - 865
2250 I (industrial) - 90 (2wd, front axle from Finnish company Lankisen)
This book also holds all the other info I've found on VolvoBM tractors, including the articulated machines in this websites "prototype" section. I do not know if it is available in English.
|
|
|
|
Post by Woodbeef on Jan 9, 2002 1:19:56 GMT 1
Yep,that's the same axle. It's not known to be very dependable over here,especially with a loader. It makes sence though that they used it,since pretty much the rest of the running gear was from Doncaster.
How many different countries did V-BM actively export to?
Are parts really that expensive for the V-BM tractors?
|
|
|
|
Post by HPP on Jun 11, 2002 12:52:12 GMT 1
Many interesting topics You´ll find if you really go way back!
OK, the MFWD-axle of the smaller VBM:s :
I´ve been told by a customer, quite a few years ago, that he and a number of other unfortunate owners of these models eventually forced VBM to state in the manual that they did not recommend mounting of frontloader on these tractors. I guess that says it all.
|
|
|
|
Post by eppie on Jun 11, 2002 13:28:49 GMT 1
Hey, that north-american cab coud be used in
SF-movies! star-trek heads will fit.
Why do American cabs have such ugly styling?? If i look at the Zetor 5611 cab, it still looks good today. (which is in fact the predecessor of the 2 and 3 series cabs)
|
|
