New Holland bull dozers.....

[Woodbeef]

I just saw an ad with a picture of a NH bull dozer. Not sure what else they have. I'll have to check my local dealer and see what he says. Do you guys have this equipment in Europe? From the picture it looks to be probably Fiat-Allis,not Case.

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Hi Woodbeef.

I think Fiat-Hitatchi makes almost any kind of construction equiment here in europe, maybe they want to sell some as NH.
They are still a part of the same company.

JH DENMARK.

[Red_Painter]

Maybe selling from the New Holland name will be helpful. I think New Holland has a pretty good share of the backhoe market. I don't know if that will transfer to dozers. The Case and John Deere smaller dozers and backhoes have traditionally been very popular in the contractors market.
Although the present crawlers are almost surely completely different technically, I remember in the early days of Fiat Allis that Fiats were sold replacing well respected AC Crawlers in lower HP classes for timber industry as well as farm use. I don't know how the Fiat dozers worked out. Some were sold, but the dealer went out a few years later.
A former AC farm equipment dealer said that when they sold Fiat farm crawlers, they tried to get the Fiat factory man to turn up the fuel  pump on the Fiat farm crawler to compete with American cats, but he was  not in favor of pouring the diesel to them. The Ag Fiat crawlers disappeared after a short time.
The rugged Allis Chalmers farm cats were hard to beat and I don't know how many were willing to take a chance on unknown foreign made crawlers, and four wheel drive tractors had taken their toll on the crawler market too.

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CNH is playing the same game in construction industry that AGCO is playing in farm equipment. I mean they have a long list of brands but, after all, the machines they sold are similar ones with different decals.

The New Holland range of construction equipment is nearly a ghost range. I mean only the smallest machines, mainly backhoe loaders and skid steer, are machines designed in New Holland offices as they are based in previous Ford brand equipment. The Series of NH excavators you can see in North America are O&K machines (designed in Germany). The same machines are sold in South America under the Fiat Allis brand. In Europe CNH just sell them under the O&K brand (made in Berlin). Something similar happens to the bulldozer range. At the beginning of the 30´s Fiat was the first brand that mass-produced an earthmoving crawler tractor. In the 70´s Fiat bought the respected construction division of Allis Chalmers, so their magnificient bulldozers were sold under the Fiat Allis name. Nowadays the Fiat Hitachi range of dozers (smaller) are sold in Europe while the same machines painted yellow are sold in North America with the NH decals...
Besides, current John Deere dozers are Liebherr machines. Yeah, John Deere used to have an amazing range of construction equipment and now I think they just design backhoe loaders and graders. Excavators are Hitachi, articulated dump trucks are Bell,... and there is no footsteps of scrapers for instance...

[eppie]

At least, John Deere has something real good, because Liebherr is, with Cat, the best dozer.

www.lhb.liebherr.com/us/default.asp

Did you know Liebherr has an articulated wheel loader with hydrostatic drive?? (i do not mean a small skidsteer thingie but a big 'mudmover')

I will see if i can find a picture of the Zetor Super P crawler dozer from 1956.

[Richard_S]

Renze,

I have driven one of the Liebherr loaders you refer to..

There is a small sand quarry on some of our land, the guy that runs it needed a new loader last year.  The Liebherr he had on demo was an L554.  As you say the tranny is hydro, the engine is 4 cylinder (!) 200+ hp, the radiators are behind the cab, arranged in 'Fendt' fashion.  Overall, it reminded me alot of a Fendt, a great machine, even had all the controls on the joystick - f/r , range change, etc.  

In the end he bought a Volvo as it was cheaper.

[eppie]

Yes, Liebherr was always something on its own.

The contractor i worked had a Liebherr 900 excavator, 17 tonnes (weight) It had ran 14,000 hrs without rebuild and had no major repairs (yet) I also had a 145 hp 4 cylinder engine.

If you sell it with leak valve block, it would do 8000 Euro for parts.  A same kind of Atlas would do 2000 Euro, because there are loads of them, and the Deutz engines are commonly used.

The more common the machine is, the lower the price is when sold for wreckage.

[eppie]

P.S,

Have you seen the Dutch "werklust" , "appetite for work" Shovels?? www.werklust.nl

Their market is mainly The Netherlands, Belgium and a small part of germany.

Their marketing slogan is something like: "Rolls-Royce isn't making commercials too"

[JoeinTX]

  The NH dozers you see basically are Fiat-Allis machines in new paint.  I've seen large front-end loaders in NH colors as well as the dozers and excavators.  There have been quite a few New Holland branded dozers and other construction pieces sold around here and the local NH dealer seems very willing to handle them.    Someone above stated the JD dozers were Liebherrs........That's not entirely true.   All JD models up to the 850 are designed and built by John Deere themselves.  Only the larger models (1050? I think) are in fact Liebherr machines.  Anybody have any Dressta info?  

[eppie]

JoeinTX:

Dressta? do you mean Desta forklift?? www.desta.cz

about the Werklust shovels:
THEY USE CUMMINS ENGINES, IF THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE FOR YOU AMERICANS!!!!  
(and ZF powerboxes)

www.werklust.nl

[kenjar]

Renze,
 Joe may have meant Dresser, the company that bought IH's constrution line.

What type of engine does  Liebherr  use? The pdf page would not load, well maybe it will but I got tired of waiting.

What you don't like Cummins? I can take them or leave'm myself.

[eppie]

Kenjar: i did not meant to say i dont like cummins... It was a joke...

Liebherr uses Liebherr and Benz engines.

[kenjar]

Renze,
     I could tell you were joking,as was I, that is why I posted that reply.
     By the way you wouldn't be one of the individuals the AgBoss is referring to about the Fendt on tracks with no driver.  I was thinking you might be giving the Zetor a bit of a rest.

[JoeinTX]

 Well, it was Dresser.... Komatsu pretty much bought the Dresser equipment line and then sold the production rights to most of the equipment (dozers, loaders, scrapers etc.) to a Polish company.  These now Polish built machines are marketed under the "Dressta" brand in the same colors as before but with some Komatsu engines and engineering added to the old Dresser line.  Don't hardly see any of them in the U.S. anymore, most of the former IH/Dresser dealers now handle Komatsu only.  I was just wondering if Dressta is doing much in Europe?

[eppie]

Hey, i found the Dressta website. it's www.dressta.com.pl
Or www.dresstanorthamerica.com for the folks across the pond.

and take a look at this: www.equipmentjournal.com/news4.htm

I think the wheel loader looks old fashioned. They use Cummins engines too! Let's see what the price difference is between the Dressta and the Werklust..