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Post by sss456@hotmail.com on Mar 19, 2002 12:10:26 GMT 1
On the News-page of this website theres a red plastic toy/model/designstudy of a tractor where there looks to be a walikng platform between the cab and the engine.
Anybody know or have ideas what the puropse of such a platform would be? I have never felt the need for it myself. Exept perhaps when washing certain parts of the tractor.
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Post by leemsutton on Mar 19, 2002 13:36:32 GMT 1
Personally I think its a brilliant forward thinking design. It would allow a number of things such as access from the front of the cab. This woul dperhaps enable a foldaway steering wheel and control area! Also perhaps a pivot steer as well as a front axle steer which would give a fantastic turning circle.
It could be something to do with ride quality (perhaps a suspension system of some kind) or even just be for easier serivicing.
The overall design is modern and would be a good move in the right direction for machinery design.
Hey woodbeef, I sat on a HI-TECH for the 1st time today. I like the idea but and a big but the appearance inside and out is quite aged now. The technology in the cab I would put up there near Fendt. I think were going to try the 8550Hi during the summer hopefully, with perhaps doing something when the remodeled versions come out next year.
Lee
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Post by Woodbeef on Mar 19, 2002 14:10:27 GMT 1
Hey Lee,
I figured you would like the Valtra once you checked one out!! Yes the styling is getting a tad bit old these days. Remember now though,that platform has been out since 1991,and does not look all that bad even today!
I think that we'll be seeing some more of the S series styling and technology trickle down to the other series in the near future.
Take a look at the HiTech 8350 Eco-Power,also. It might just fit into your operation quite nicely. Jack D Kid has a new one down in New Zealand. Hmmm.....let me guess now on the color. Would it be Claas green by any chance?
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Post by FarmerJohn on Mar 19, 2002 15:23:23 GMT 1
I agree with Dakotaman and don't understand the platform. It only makes the tractor longer. And also did you see the exhaust? It's on the right side of the cabine, the engine is placed far in front the of the cab. If the tractor has pivot steering, which i like by the way, it is nearly impossible to make a construction that will last long. Or am i completely wrong?
Did you see the Renault tractor with the cabin that goes to the left side of the tractor? I really like the futuristic designm but when will you need that option. You can't see a thing when the cab is next to the tractor and you want to work in the field or drive on the road. Or is it just for getting in to the cabin easily, let's say for my old dad.
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Post by Woodbeef on Mar 19, 2002 16:19:58 GMT 1
Ahhh.......sorry there Dakotaman,
O.K. now for your question:
Could it be for length of wheelbase and correctly balancing?
It also leaves plenty of room to work on the tractor!!
Could also double,as an in field bar-b-q and general party deck!!
But seriously,I wonder what the original concept idea was?
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Post by paddyland on Mar 19, 2002 19:15:33 GMT 1
Could be that the designer was a fan of the John Deere SG2 cab and wanted to put it on a new tractor with the back of the cab similar to S series Valtra. If it was articulated it would be possible to have a flexible joint using the correct material and insulation would also give it strength butwhat is more probable is four-wheel steer rather than an articulation.
The gap could also give better view to either side of the tractor for mid mounted equipment similar to that big lump of steel at agritechnica.
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Post by laapa@swipnet.se on Mar 19, 2002 19:21:08 GMT 1
The model looks pretty detailed, if it was an articulated design I think it would show. Also it has small front wheels and seem to have room for them to turn so I'm thinking strictly conventional front axle steering
Can't see the point of the design. Moves the engine more to the front, blocks the biew. That room could have been used for a larger fueltank etc.
Lee, I don't quite follow your reasoning. What would be so great about entering the cab from the front and have to use foldaway seetingcolumn?
BTW, the 2+2 made it's first roar of the year (straight pipe nowadays) cultivating yesterday... only to find heavy rainfall today. Springwork is propably a while off still.
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Post by leemsutton on Mar 19, 2002 19:29:19 GMT 1
Laapa,
My reasoning is purley personal as I generally like futuristic stuff in any form. I just think that it would perhaps be a good step forward really. I mean a fold away steering column would mean you'd have more room to eat your lunch and read the paper!
Question: Your 7810 - if you could have it as it is for the same money as a more futuriestic option, what would you go for?
Me I would go futuristic to be different and also the resale value may be a bit better.
Its like if the Fendt 918 (7810 equivilant) was the same money and the dealer was local what would go for? Me again the fendt for the technology, the gearbox, the build quality, the fendt factor etc
Lee
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Post by Si on Mar 19, 2002 23:10:08 GMT 1
Lee having sold Fendts in a previous life, they, like JD, are not all the're cracked up to be, the 500 series used to eat clutches, they 700 series used lock the gearboxs the 800 series were bombproof, so as with every colour some good, some bad.
Cheers
Simon
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Post by laapa@swipnet.se on Mar 19, 2002 23:15:11 GMT 1
Lee,
I see what you mean by the merits of a foldaway steeringcolumn, but the platform really does not seem all that important to create room in the cab. So far Woodbeef's Party-deck sounds like the best idea.
As far as choosing a "futuristic" tractordesign (it's a 7710 by the way), just to be different...
Well, I must say the fact that the 7710 is a proven machine was more pretty important to us. If we wanted it otherwise, the 7020 series can't be that far away.
New, unproven, futuristic design will get you a better resalevalue? Come on...
I'm glad there seems to be people out there willing to pay good money to be the first with a new design. You guys are what drives evoluition. I go to machineryshows mainly to see what I'll be driving in 15 years (the 7710 being an exepion).
Hmmm... would this explain your interest in a custom made quadtrac 2+2.
Paddyland,
You are refering to the Super-Gruber selfpropelled tillage-tool I guess. (They have a website somewhere. Remember it mr. Moderator?)
Mid mounted implements are an interesting Idea, but I really havn't seen any since those small row-crop cultivators on really old tricycle JohnnyPoppers.
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Post by albsec@euskalnet.net on Mar 20, 2002 0:36:44 GMT 1
Thank you all for your comments. I wish I had this feedback from you four years ago... Now it is 00:19 AM in Spain, a little bit late today. Whether it was a wrong concept or not, I will try to explain you the design and advantages of the Ergos farm tractor (believe it or not, I had no idea about Renault using the Ergos name when I labeled the project. Not sure if they had released those Series in 1998/ 1999) in the following days.  Thank you |
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Post by leemsutton on Mar 20, 2002 18:07:44 GMT 1
European A,
Did you design that tractor. If so - well done and could you tell us what you ideas were behind it?
Lee
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Post by laapa@swipnet.se on Mar 20, 2002 23:33:18 GMT 1
Sounds like we got a real design-pro among us! (Mabye several)
European A, it woud sure be great to hear your thinking behind the project.
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Post by orange on Mar 21, 2002 7:20:25 GMT 1
European A,
sounds like you should have the copyright for the Ergos Name,
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Post by Woodbeef on Mar 22, 2002 0:03:58 GMT 1
Hey European,
Nice design!! Yes,please fill us in!! How large of a tractor hp wise were you invisioning? Any more you'd like to share?
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