About the new MX Magnums??

[Laapa]

Here's a thought
When the Genesis/70 series were first introduced, did they alraedy have Supersteer as an option?
Or did this come later as a way to reduce steering radius on an existing machine (and not have to R&D a new one) when the competition's steeringradius got smaller?

[Woodbeef]

I do believe that they came out with or shortly after that series did.

Interesting idea there though of the whys of SS. Could possibly explain why it came about,and was not relly perfected at first.

Has the SS sold all that much over in Europe?

[leemsutton]

Talking to a guy I know who works at case and he's saying that the new MX machines are already built - because there ford! in red colours.

He has not heard anything of a completely new MX for at least 2 years. In the long run there will be two lines

1. Case line - more expensive
2. Ford line - cheaper option

The Case will have the tracked version and the ford will only come tracked if on special order. basically a respray.

I think the MX Maxxums need a rethink. Haven't liked them since them appeared. Thats why we stayed with our 5150's.
A neighbour had to replace a set of brakes on a MX 135 the other day - £1700 !!!!!!!!!  Riduculous.

[Woodbeef]

Lee,

He is correct for the MX Maxxums,they will be red TMs. The MX Magnums and TGs are in protoype now with sometime this summer for run up of production in Racine.

[Laapa]

Well the MX Maxxums should no longer be a problem for your buddy at Case, Lee.
How about the MX Maxxum's replacement. Are the Red-painted Steyrs (CS series ) sold worldwide by now?
How long have tose tractors been in production? Will it be time to replace the "Maxxum"-sized tractors soon. Will they be Steyr built?

[Woodbeef]

Laapa....unfortunately I'm affraid that the St Valentin offerings will become a NH designed shared platform tractor. the Steyr painted TN,TL,TS and TM might just be the best looking ones though. I'm wondering which engines they will have though. Will CNH allow them to keep the ones that they helped develope or not? It will be a shame to see the real Steyrs go!!

We still do not get any Steyrs or CIH CS tractors over here.

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I've wondered the same thing about the supersteer as being an afterthought.  Whoever came up with the design was a real thinker.  The genesis tractor would of been just an average tractor without that feature.  Even though I say the design is brillant I don't see that design being around forever.  I think the trend is going to go toward the JD/CIH design  and here's why.  1.  Rowcrop tractor hp seems to keep increasing.  10yrs ago 200hp was the largest now its 255hp and I wouldn't be surprised to see 300hp in coming yrs.  With all this hp increase they need to get the tractors physical size and weight higher in order to keep it to the ground.  That's where the longer hood and physical size is advantageous.  Keep the engine over the front end to help balance the tractor.  2.  Also with the increased hp the need for front suspension will be a must to control powerhop and keep the front end down.  I don't see how they could adapt a suspension system to the supersteer design.  Though JD's design looks somewhat goofy, I've heard that it does an excellent job of controlling powerhop.  I see that design or similiar ones being the trend.  Finally, I see the supersteer design being dropped someday because it requires higher maintenance and all the moving parts whereas the JD/CIH design doesn't have any of that and still gets by with a shorter turning radius and if the trend of front mounted equipment ever comes over here in the US I think farmers would prefer the simpler front end design for durability reasons.  I'm not really sure how I got onto this subject but I guess I did speak my mind.  

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Aaron,
I agree with most of your post. Well explained. I am convinced about the benefit of long bonnet design But just think about this:
John Deere 8000 Series wheelbase: 2950 mm (52°)<br>Case MX Maxxum Series wheelbase: 3005 mm (55°)<br>New Holland 70 Series (without SuperSteer) wheelbase: 3005 mm (50°)<br>New Holland 70 Series (with SuperSteer) wheelbase: 3115 mm (65°)

To be honest I thought wheelbase for Deeres and Cases was smaller but there is not that difference compared to New Holland design. With similar track width the Super Steer turning radius is smaller than the red and green´s machines.

Do not forget the latest 70A Series have a new 70° Carraro axle. Although I do prefer the Case MX Maxxum design the next Case will be based on the NH frame. I guess Super Steer will be an exclusive feature for NH. So Case could easily mount front suspension.

[Si]

Be carefull in the comparison I have (maybe biased) the Magnuum has  a smaller turning circle than th e supersteer 70 series 95% of the time

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It's funny you mentioned the turning angle European A.  I was driving around in the MX the other day and seeing how sharp it would turn.  We have the wheels set out far (non rowcrop) so it turns really sharp.  As I was doing this, I was thinking, this really sharp turning radius is good for 2 things.  1) mounted (3pt hitch) equipment and 2) backing wagons and things up.  If I was pulling a disc or something, I couldn't turn near that sharp or I would hit it.  That made me start thinking....a scary thought.  Here's what I came up with.  Turning radius was a big thing a few yrs ago but I think everyone now has a tight turning tractor and if one tractor can turn a little sharper than another one its a moot point.  Case in point; the supersteer.   It might have a higher turning angle but is it really noticeable compared to the others out there?  Probably not.  It might turn a bit tighter than the others when the wheels are set in but again without mounted equipment, you wouldn't be turning all that sharp anyway and who really does cultivate corn anymore.  With all the high hp nowadays these tractors are pulling large discs and cultivators and when getting to the end of the field, don't have to make really sharp turns due to the wide implement anyways.  So I guess my long winded explanation really is trying to say that turning radius was the "big thing" a few yrs ago but the next "big thing" will be getting the power to the ground by way of suspensions, front duals and such.  I just think that the supersteer is a neat idea but with other designs out there it is somewhat outdated and limiting in its design but your right European A, it looks like NH will keep it as a exclusive option.  Just don't know if its the best thing to do.  

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Good points Aaron,
Indeed the tractors 150-250 hp are pulling machinery and trailers, whitch goes never of the whole season, with a large drawbar, and that bar hits the large wheels turning sharp.
In Europe it might be a bit more important, because we have machines in the 3point hitch, but the supersteer is more interesting for the small tractors TNP-models and others, up to 120 hp, for machinery in the hitch up to 3 mtr. wide. The very sharp turning is very welcom when you want to mount an other machine in the hitch: Not on the largest, but the smaller tractors the machines will be switched often.
in the first year of the supersteer I thougtthe large extra price can only be asked by expencive (large hp) tractors, I don't know why now it's still not available for the low/midrange tractors.

(i hope my English is good enough to read...)
many regards,
Arno

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Aaron,
I must say once again your explanation is very clever and accurate. It makes me see turning radius from another point of view. Yeah, it´s more important for smaller tractors but not that much for the big beasts.

Thank you

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Sorry I wanted to say thanks to Arno (I confused names). Clumsy boy I am...