About the new MX Magnums??

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I've read some of the posts a few pages back talking about the new magnums coming out with the shared platform for the NH version.  My question is, will the current MX's be dropped for a totally new design?  I have a mx200 and hope that it wouldn't become an orphan someday or viewed as a CIH short lived copied JD design.  I would hope they keep the current frame.  I know that in order for the supersteer to work, the current frame would have to be shortened.  I've seen the pictures of the genesis tractor with a magnum cab but does anyone know if that is the direction the next gen. mx magnums are headed for?  Thanks for any info.  

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aaron,

dont think anybody knows for sure and we wont for definate till next year but i would assume that the current mx magnum ans the current high hp NH's will be scrapped.

then we will get the same tractors in blue or red with a few differences. i think the NH's will have less spec and be aimed at the cheaper high hp market whilst the case try to compete with the deere's.

its a shame really we had a 270 and its was an excellent bit of kit really although are they as good as the old 7250 range? some say yes some say no. i say yes on spec and user bility but perhaps not on pulling power. we had a 7240 which pulled our simba solo better than the 270!! ironic really!
perfrerred driving the mx though any day

[orange]

I have seen a MX/NH new tractor being tested in Italy (modena) it was all MX Mag except for the front Axle, which was a supersteer axle fitted to a modified front chassis???

word has it though that they can not get the turning circle less than the Mx Magnum at the moment

but I would say that the new range will be based on the MX for sure with as Lee says the Case being slightly higher spec than the NH

sorry I could not get my camera out

[Woodbeef]

At the moment there are just under 30 prototypes out in the field. The scheduled start date for run up is in the summer. I'll see what I can dig up on the frame.

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Thanks for looking Woodbeef.  I'm curious as to how things will change or stay the same.  It probably wouldn't be a big deal if they did completely change the tractor around but its a shame because what they have now is a nice unit.  I know they've been selling quite a few of them so there should be a good many around.  Again thanks.

[Woodbeef]

Hey Aaron,

Here's what I could dig up on the frame of the new TG. On the TG the frame is flatter,longer and wider,due to the fact that the engine goes straight into the tranny. It is made bigger so it can accomodate the SuperSteer components. Orange is correct,they still do not turn as sharp as the MX ones though.

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For heaven's sake. If it cant turn as sharp as the Magnum, then why in the world would the keep it?
Granted it is a NH-only feature, but it is quite a bulky and expensive piece to fit onto a tractor if it is not necessary for it's intended purpose.

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Thanks for the info.   That does clear up a few things.  You said it is going to be longer.  That would be a heck of a long tractor then.  The current frame is long already.  I have to agree with Lappa on why change if the current setup will turn sharper than what they plan to come out with.  If that is the way they're going then I'm happy with the current tractor and won't worry.  Thanks again

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That frame must be much longer than the one for the 70A Series or the Super Steer axle turns less than 70 degrees... Otherwise I don´t understand how an MX turning radius is smaller...  

Anyway it is still the testing stage for the TGs, I guess.

Just a thought: Ford/ New Holland always loved big wheelbase while shorter wheelbases have given a lot of benefits to 8000/8010/8020s, MXs and Valmet/ Valtras...

[Laapa]

Is the wheelbase really longer on NH if the machine does not have Supersteer?
Another thing, since JD8000 and MX Magnum, both JD and CIH have been moving the engines further and further up front, over the front axle. This gives better (?) balance and allows for a slimmer transmission (wasp-design) in turn allowing for larger front tyres. Will the new NH again have the engine mounted closer to the cab than the Magnum (wich seems to be the only reason for needing Supersteer)

[Si]

On the spec sheets I have a MX Magnuum can turn tighter than a 70 series with super-steer approx at 95% of wheel width settings.
Cheers
Simon

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I think where the supersteer would really advantagous would be when the wheels are set in a good bit.  There's where the moving axle would allow it to turn much tighter than a similiar JD/CIH setup.  Now when you get the tires out a bit, thats when the JD/MX's shine and can out turn the supersteers.  I have a MX and have driven a Genesis on a few occasions and still feel the current MX design is a "better" design than the Genesis one.  You have the wasp waist so you get better visibility even though some will argue you lose a bit with the longer hood.  Like Lappa said, you have better balance over the front so you don't need much extra weight and overall the balance of the tractor is better.   I thought that when JD first came out with there's it was goofy looking but as time went on it became the standard.  I figured everyone else would follow but it seems like JD will be back to the only one with that kind of setup.    On a different note, how well does the Fendt tractors turn?  They do have a small wheelbase but have a wide hood with no sculpting of the sides so I don't see how it could ever turn that well.  Its funny how they never really say in their brochure.

[leemsutton]

the 926 and 920 fendt i've tried turned very well. about the same as the mx270 we eventually bought. preferred the fendt over everything for lots of reasons but one of the main ones was its smaller wheelbase and overal physical size. the 926 which is 286 hp would not go a miss on a fertiliser spreader if you needed to use it whilst it still going to be the main culitvations tractor.

its a very universal machine across the whole range.

Also as far as the new MX's are concerned - I was told again the other day that a quad track version will be released - MX 270 Quad - which will be an excellent machine. A four wheel drive tracked machine. It'll pull the back end off a deere.

Back at my universtiy last week - there was a reported pull off between a STX Quadtrack and a Military tank! This is how the story goes - the flag dropped and the quaddy driver dropped the clutch and it gripped and started to creep forward - then the tank driver popped his head out and said 'have we started yet' the replies were along the lines of yes you blo**y idiot. so he got in and put his foot down and pulled the quadtrack out of the building!!
There is a video which I am trying to get hold of and before anybody ask's it was an open day for the university and the army had a presence cause alot of the students ar esponsored by the british army.

[Laapa]

Swedish test results:
Turning radius
JD8400: 5,2 m
Fendt 926: 5,5 m
NH (Ford) 8970 w supersteer: 4,57 m
NH (Ford) 8970 wo supersteer: 5,3 m

These are not the latest versions of the machines, tests done before 1998

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Despite of the bigger wheelbase I do think Super Steer turning radius is better than the rest. I was going to check any figures, but I see Laapa has done it...

Anyway, I recommend to see a videotape produced by Profi about 5 years ago. It is a comparison of four models: Case IH Magnum 7200 Series, New Holland 70 Series, JD 8000 Series and Fendt Favorit 800 Series. Although the MX Magnum is not there, I don´t think Case´s turning radius is much better than JD´s. There is an aerial view of the tractors turning...