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Post by Jas on Jul 24, 2003 22:04:21 GMT 1
Just wondering how the SAME reliability is on the world scale thanks  |
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Post by pudding on Jul 25, 2003 5:19:50 GMT 1
hmmm...............you digging for tall stories?
whats your experiences?..........
you want to talk about front axle problems, tranny problems?.........heater problems?..............engine problems ?.........i have hear a lot!..........but green paint don't make em more reliable
but your don't hear much from the ones with thousands and thousand of hours on them breaking country allong side countys
pudding
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Post by Jas on Jul 25, 2003 6:05:54 GMT 1
i want to hear all of them please. I want to see if the problems where i come from, are happening in other countries that take more than one days production. It seems strange how the old one are real workhorses and the new ones seem to give trouble. I will be interested to hear about those stories pudding.
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Post by Bernhard on Jul 25, 2003 6:19:07 GMT 1
As more Toys are on Your Tractor, as more can make a breakdown  Bernhard |
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Post by samedriver on Jul 25, 2003 8:01:57 GMT 1
Wen you always want to be the first with new know how you take great risks so the first serie will probleby
always replaced by an update. Some dealers have problems with high technical tractors like the Rubin, Mostly not the rubin is the problem but the dealer can not get the know how for such machien under control.
But the greatest problem they had even as fiat that they where corrosive ad sale.
That geve them in some country's a very bad name
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Post by Jas on Jul 25, 2003 9:53:54 GMT 1
Yes samedriver you are correct for the new products that any manufacturer may bring out. But you wouldn't expect this to occur on a tractor that has been produced for a couple of years.
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Post by samedriver on Jul 25, 2003 13:54:35 GMT 1
jas
What type or serie do you mention.
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Post by Woodbeef on Jul 25, 2003 16:03:54 GMT 1
Well now.........not all that many pure SAME,Lambo,or Hurlimanns ever sold over here,but quite afew of the badge-engineered Agco-Allis and White ones were. They do not have that great of a reputation for dependability when built in the cab form. For some reason though the open station ones have fared much better for dependability. As a matter of fact it next to impossible to even give away a cabbed version of the A/A,White tractors from SLH over here as trade in or outright sale.
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Post by eppie on Jul 25, 2003 21:49:30 GMT 1
Samedriver: simple mechanical trannies arent new technology, arent they ??
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Post by Jas on Jul 25, 2003 22:50:03 GMT 1
Samedriver. Explorer or Silver
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Post by eppie on Jul 26, 2003 1:24:21 GMT 1
SAME has become an endangered species in my area.... Most of them are ripped and stripped, and changed for a Ford, Deutz, MF..... Survival of the fittest....  |
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Post by samedriver on Jul 26, 2003 4:49:25 GMT 1
first explorer serie 55, 65 en 75 is only made a few years
engine and backand where changed. backand was not graet with outdoor cilinders like zf nowadays. than came the 60 till 90. the tranny and backand of the 90 are not made for this horsepower like many tractor series at the end. than the generation 2 of explorer came and they solved the corrosive part but made a light wight with 100ps of the 90 (antares100) nice for cropcure but not for havie load transport. Altough the 1000 serie built sinds 1987 have a very good reputation and you find lots of them with more than 10000 ours without any repaers.
The Silver serie has mostly little problems like heater and dynamo, electrik switches althoug the silver 100.6
with his sixpot is very popular but the endtype of this serie so the tranny an backand are not to havie for it.
My opinion is that the silver serie is much better than the first explorer altough sometimes there are people that have nothing than trouble with it but in this area we see some fendts that looked to be made on a black monday they go from wone problem thoug an other Y think every brand has that problem. And Know most brands gets more bells and horns sometimes dealers with to little expierience corse problems when they try to ficks somethink else.
Its not nothing to repaer a tranny of a fendt vario of a same rubin, it are combination of mechanic and electronic.
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Post by Jas on Jul 26, 2003 7:52:12 GMT 1
Yes samedriver some of the new ones are better in terms of running gear, but some aren't. But even small things that occur regularly will annoy owners. In my mind same don't seem to have the quality control that many manufacturers have in their products.
Renze where abouts in the world are you?
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Post by pudding on Jul 27, 2003 2:35:51 GMT 1
jas, renze is from another plant
will post here about sames again, going to drink beer now!
had a rough last couple days
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Post by pudding on Jul 27, 2003 15:03:15 GMT 1
jas, when you get a good SAME, you have a awesome machine, believe me
it just seems there quality control at the factory is not as consistent as other manufacturers, and i also believe they are not putting the research money into there own front axle?.......why..........because the front axle is where a lot of problems come from, but yet again, i like the axle, i like the NH axle too........but my father has his in bits after 1000hours !..........so stuff breaks
my father had a leopard 85 and jaguar 95, the leopard had some kind a transmission failure, so it was repaired and traded, the 95 had some kind of hydraulic system problems, the 3pt linkage used to drift down, going do the road, this was fixed and the tractor was sold
man emailed me from austrailia with front axle failure in a solar 60, i think he was striping the bull gear, and tearing the spline up, i know of 3 silver 90 owned in the bay of plenty which had front axle failure, these were loader-wagon machines, for a contractor, i am guess they did a lot of fast 4wd work.......not draft work, a silver 90 i used to drive in poverty bay, had front axle failure too (dunno if that was because the rowcrop tires on it were 2 inches taller than std), a gearbox rebuild at 1700hours (can't remeber what went wrong).......and when we brought it, it never ran on 4 cylinders under load...........it had a problem with the cold start and the dealer never figured it out.......also the heater never worked
i know one farmer who blew his machine up in 500 hours (silver 90) in poverty bay.........i don't think he ever changed the oil or checked it (i don't know if you notice, but it is common for a SAME to burn a lil oil in extreme head........hard operation)
i also know of a SAME in texas which had a lot of over heating problems, but i never heard exactly what was wrong with it
we also had a silver 80 in poverty bay..........cabless, that machine was AWESOME, we got it at the vege garden i worked, i asked the farmer if we could run it in on my fathers silage chopper, we did, it was so gutless on the road new, it wouldn't pull road gear, got it to the field, opened her up, started shift gears and loading it, she was gutless for the first hour, then the engine started pulling back!......it was amazing, it caught me off gaurd and i ended up shearing shear pins in the chopper
as far as i know, that tractor has been a good machine, that 60x60 tranny is awesome in creeper applications, biggest problems is the cable controls for the hitch weren't great out in the weather
when i worked in central otago, i was tube wrapping for a customer, and he had a explorer 90 II, and said he loved it, he has a loader on it, and said he just got it back from the shop, i asked him if he had front axle repairs,........he wanted to know how i knew that!
i know of a same titan which broke in half in southland......well i was told this by a friend down there.
same do built a great tractor, especially the old ones, the contractor i worked for in central otago, had same drago when they first came out..........he said for hill work and breaking in tussock (what it did most).......he would rather leave the County at home
i think the best SAME built, the one i would want to buy as a second tractor, came after 1983, they had the newer engine, and the 70-100hp verisons i think had the better 3 lever transmission in them, the cab was comfortable, a little noisy, they had good hydraulics, good lift, and a sold engine and front end
i think the older machines are great too, the older transmissions were good, engines were very stong and the front axle was built to last, but they only had dry brakes, and not as good hydraulics
the new machine?..........they are great, great technology in them, but they do have reliablity problems, like every other manufacturer, and the big issue here is how fast the dealer can get the machine going again..............and with out looking at european areas (i have never been there),..........i think NZ has one of the best dealer networks in the World. also this comes on the back of very very good sales networks in the 80's and 90's...........the same products are very well known in NZ compared to other places in thte world.
pudding
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