ADD MORE HP TO YOUR CLAAS HARVESTER

[joblo]

Man I wish that they would let us choose the power plant. I know that they would not have the buying power as far as some makes of motor, but I think that would sure make things simpler for the customer on the service side, so that he may choose whick motor he can get the best service for.

I agree 100% with adaml on purchasing a machine thta had been chipped. But I guess you never really know what you are getting when you buy used anyway.

Hey adam what other forums are you reading regarding this subject? I am interested.

[advice]

joblo said:

Man I wish that they would let us choose the power plant. I know that they would not have the buying power as far as some makes of motor, but I think that would sure make things simpler for the customer on the service side, so that he may choose which motor he can get the best service for.

I agree 100% with adaml on purchasing a machine thta had been chipped. But I guess you never really know what you are getting when you buy used anyway.

Hey adam what other forums are you reading regarding this subject? I am interested.

That all you have to say? Please

[chopper doctor]

I install a lot of custom made chips for customers that are not satisfied with the performance of their machines for one reason or another.

If you wouldn't buy a used machine that has been chipped, then don't.
I guarantee you somebody else will.

[adamL]

joblo said:

Man I wish that they would let us choose the power plant. I know that they would not have the buying power as far as some makes of motor, but I think that would sure make things simpler for the customer on the service side, so that he may choose whick motor he can get the best service for.

I agree 100% with adaml on purchasing a machine thta had been chipped. But I guess you never really know what you are getting when you buy used anyway.

Hey adam what other forums are you reading regarding this subject? I am interested.

I was having a debate on FWI, there is a guy on their extoling the virtues of chipping, hey chopper doctor and the 2 guys on FWI know more than I on the technicalities than I but...

Engine manufactures and the machines manufactures like Claas and Deere know EXACTLY what their machines are going to do. Foragers and combines would be easy to set up compared to a car, They only operate at full throttle and they just need to run at or near full load all day. I cannot believe for the life of me that, with all their testing resources at their disposal, the large manufactures cannot get the best compromise of: cost, economy, performance, emmisions and reliablity.

I have a friend that works for a large motor manufacturer and is in the business of calibrating gasoline engines. I asked him about chipping. Their was a sign of resignation and he said "if you want to waste your money then go ahead".

One of the guys on FWI was telling of one of his clients that is running a Deere 7530 on a dump trailer and has saved X amount of fuel. If you are interested in saving fuel on haulage then don't use an agricultural tractor on haulage, the fuel comsumption is savage. Park the thing up and use trucks. There is a reason why trucking companies don't use tractors. Another guy on their was saying how moving peak torque down to 1400 rpm ( I thought most tractors torque peaked down there) you used less fuel on transport because the engine was reving less. Great, at 1400 revs mine is doin 14 mph, wow that's gonna be some effecient haulage... It's all very well having all the grunt down there like a truck, but tractors are geared too low to make use of it. all you do is end up crawling around 5 mph slower than before.

If you by an engine it will run for years with just routene maintainance. If something goes wrong, the warranty will cover it normally. If there is a known fault with an engine out of warranty, you might get some good will for your manufacturer. You chip it and get a problem and see what they say. It will be some thing along the lines of get stuffed.

but what do I know?

[chopper doctor]

I'll tell you what you know.....nothing, when it comes to engine management systems.

All that shite you just wrote is not a supporting argument. It was just an attempt to justify your one-sided opinion on this topic. Go talk to some people over there who can speak educatedly to you in terms you can understand about what is really done here in the chip making process. I think you will be surprised.

But before you do that, I recommend you take a very strong laxative and then go out and get layed. Then, you can absorb all this new information with a different frame of mind, because right now you're a mess.

Listen Adam, it's been fun...but I got to go. I look forward to talking to you again after you have re-grouped.

Regards, Chopper Doctor

[adaL]

chopper said:

I'll tell you what you know.....nothing, when it comes to engine management systems.

All that shite you just wrote is not a supporting argument. It was just an attempt to justify your one-sided opinion on this topic. Go talk to some people over there who can speak educatedly to you in terms you can understand about what is really done here in the chip making process. I think you will be surprised.

But before you do that, I recommend you take a very strong laxative and then go out and get layed. Then, you can absorb all this new information with a different frame of mind, because right now you're a mess.

Listen Adam, it's been fun...but I got to go. I look forward to talking to you again after you have re-grouped.

Regards, Chopper Doctor

Chopper Doctor sir,

I still don't understand why, when an engine manufacturer that has been building engines for many years and they have all the testing facilities at their disposal, an after market guy such as your self and others can come along and do it better. Why hasn't the original guy working for the manufacturer calibrated the engine like that in the first place? There must be a reason. The original calibration must be pretty much as close as it can be to meet the regs, keep the thing reliable, achieve the performance and economy and for a reasonable cost. You and others haven't said how you are doing it and what the effects of your changes are, you have just said "you know shit" I know I know shit, that is why I am asking you. As it is there is now way on this earth I would so much as think about chipping my walk behind lawn mower, never mind a £200k forage harvester.

You and others have said we increase the common rail pressure and get better atomisation, I can see how that would work. But... why is the pressure at X psi and what are the long term effects of running at X+ psi? Can the system handle running at X+ PSI?

When any manufacturer makes any claim about any product it has to live up to that claim, whether the claim is about a plastic bucket or a medium speed heavy duty diesel engine. I know if I buy an engine from a manufacturer it will do what they say it will and will have a whole series of tests to back up their claims. Have you sent any of you chipped engines away for testing by the OECD? Any other claims of performance and economy improvement are just anecdotal.

I know of an oil blender that says if you use their oil and the oil is found to have caused a problem in your machine, they will fix the machine. So, if I chip my machine with your chips and the engine fails and it is chip related, do you fix the motor? If not, bye, bye.

I have talked to some one, as you suggest, about chips and he say that they are wasting their money. This is a guy that does it for a living and goes all over the world to make sure they are tested and work.

As it stands right know your responses to my questions have been hostile and there is no way I would even thinging about chipping anything because you have not taken the time to explain what it is you do, and why your work is so much better than the original, so no chips for me and no chips on any secondhand gear either untill you can explain your work.

You need to work on your sale pitch.

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chopper said:

I'll tell you what you know.....nothing, when it comes to engine management systems.

All that shite you just wrote is not a supporting argument. It was just an attempt to justify your one-sided opinion on this topic. Go talk to some people over there who can speak educatedly to you in terms you can understand about what is really done here in the chip making process. I think you will be surprised.

But before you do that, I recommend you take a very strong laxative and then go out and get layed. Then, you can absorb all this new information with a different frame of mind, because right now you're a mess.

Listen Adam, it's been fun...but I got to go. I look forward to talking to you again after you have re-grouped.

Regards, Chopper Doctor

Nice response you answered nothing and attacked him for his opinion. I would have respected you more if you would not have made it personal. As a person who has had one of these POS 502 engines give up the ghost while operating it I feel that AdamL has a legitimate opinion. The 502 is not suited for continues operation at the HP that Merc. has it rated at. If a "Chip" adds more power then that only further compounds the problem. If it WILL increase the longevity of the engine without reducing the HP then you have my attention. But like all things I feel that if you play then you will pay.