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Post by kevanos on Oct 21, 2008 14:34:53 GMT 1
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 22, 2008 12:08:53 GMT 1
The factory in Beauvais is owned by AGCO, not Massey Ferguson. It builds tractors in many of AGCO's brands.
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Post by adamL on Oct 22, 2008 21:08:10 GMT 1
Fendt is the sophisticated one and Massey was the one with an easier to use control system. The Valtra and Massey will be pretty much the same, in so far as they have the same engine and transmission, so how are they going to differentiate between the Massey and Valtra brands? Will a different cab and panels be enough? Maybe they should let the Vatra have the Sisu engine and power the Massey with something else??
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Post by RmarkV on Oct 24, 2008 9:33:37 GMT 1
I think AGCO/Valtra assume that calling the cvt somthing else other then Fendt, now AVT is going to be enough. In the time CNH are segreating there brands, I wonder what is really going on?
R&D cash drying up?
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Post by eppie on Oct 24, 2008 23:13:48 GMT 1
R&D cash drying up, they DID develope a new 5 step powershift for the mid hp ranges... Where the biggest numbers are sold... Now really, what big tractors do have unique features ? There are only Deere, Fendt/Valtra/MF, Case/New Holland offering a conventional frame tractor in the 250+ hp market. The choice is now of 4 different drivelines, 3 different transmissions. What do high end tractor buyers expect ?
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Post by Farmer from Finland on Oct 26, 2008 7:56:41 GMT 1
Hey
I visited yesterday local farm exhibition.
Valtra really launched new models.
As here is said big S serie is manufactured in France and technically it is similar with big MFs excluding cab and transmission program and some minor things.
Valtra also launched two new transmission types under 210 hp class.Names are Versu and Direct.Direct is AVT.
Basicly there is nice many nice ideas in same backage:
-both new transmissions have same 4 step area gearbox
-5 step tranny and AVT is installed to same size box
-5 step tranny have inside old 3 step tranny+2 steps with added axle
So,after that is easy make different models because amount of ghanging parts is minimized.
AVT tranny is Valtras own design,different system comparing Vario.
My opinion is that we would be proud about new Valtras.
FFF
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Post by eppie on Oct 26, 2008 17:49:22 GMT 1
FFF, so they just kept the old transaxle design, but hooked on a different powershift (versu or IVT instead of deltashift) ??
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Post by Farmer from Finland on Oct 28, 2008 21:27:45 GMT 1
FFF, so they just kept the old transaxle design, but hooked on a different powershift (versu or IVT instead of deltashift) ?? --the middle frame and gearbox in Versu/Direct is totally new.Also fuel tank is now installed outside steel frame. --Valtra have only used old DeltaPS system as one part of 5-step Versu. |
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Post by eppie on Oct 28, 2008 22:18:47 GMT 1
To me that sounds like they have abandoned their old transaxle design... and have become more mainstream.
Maybe Fendt will use a Versu in a 300 Farmer series in the future ?
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Post by kevanos on Oct 29, 2008 20:53:40 GMT 1
I realize AGCO owns Valtra, Fendt, Massey, Challenger, etc..... My point was that it is historically the Massey factory, and is referred to as the Massey Ferguson factory by AGCO.
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Post by eppie on Nov 1, 2008 21:28:42 GMT 1
Just read on a Dutch website that the new Fendt 200 series with vario transmission, will get a Sisu engine... Deutz still builds a full line of engines from 12 hp and up, so i cant see why they would try to back out of the small 100hp and below market... They have also sold the large engines plant to an investment company, that resurrected the name MWM. MWM was owned by Deutz since 1985. www.deutzpowersystems.de/ |
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Post by dom on Nov 3, 2008 8:03:29 GMT 1
That 8600 series MF looks like something good coming..... and I had been looking at the Valtras earlier..... too bad they aren't being offered to north america yet
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Post by kevanos on Nov 3, 2008 17:41:06 GMT 1
Interesting that Deutz Power Systems is now MWM, again. MWM in Brazil sold out to Navistar (International) not too long ago.
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Post by adamL on Nov 3, 2008 19:36:05 GMT 1
That 8600 series MF looks like something good coming..... and I had been looking at the Valtras earlier..... too bad they aren't being offered to north america yet Are you getting the 8600 series with Dyna Step, or is the proper Dyna VT becoming accepted by buyers/uses in NA? |
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Post by eppie on Nov 3, 2008 23:09:26 GMT 1
Interesting that Deutz Power Systems is now MWM, again. MWM in Brazil sold out to Navistar (International) not too long ago. MWM do Brasil is operating in a whole different market segment than the reborn MWM... IT would be expensive to operate and market in two entirely different markets with a 300 hp gap inbetween.. |
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