Fendt News

[RmarkV]

The 930 fendt mentioned in the news section, is as of now a drawing on paper there is not a prototype made yet. The soonest the 930 could go into production is this time next year

Combines will be introduced in the 2003 season in the British and Irish market

[kenjar]

Hey RmarkV,

You wouldn't know what engine they are planning to use for the 930? I would think the current MAN would have reached its maximun in the 926. I would think 300hp from a 6.9L is abit much.

[eppie]

Hey Kenjar:

You would never know with those Fendt guys these days. They have gone crazy with the current Deutz engines: 128 hp from a 3.8 litre four cylinder is just as stoopid.

[RmarkV]

Hi Kemjar,

From what I heard from AGCO the man engine is the prefered choice the hold up is the axels as there are trying to see if the 926 ones would handle the power

[F6L913]

The Deutz 2013 is a powerfull engine with high pressure direct injection and 4 valves/cylinder. Deutz say the 4 cylinder engine max power is 125 KW and the max power of the 6 cylinder is 190 KW, but for agricultural purposes the max power is limited to 118 KW, i don't know why.

For combines the old 913 have 260 HP in only 6 liters displacement and it haven't a hight pressure injection system.

[eppie]

I can tell you, F6L913:

For agricultural use, engines are loaded to 95% when used for heavy tillage. A truck will be loaded 74% of engine power, and a passenger car engine 48%.

facts according to measurements of John Deere Mannheim. (we used to have "The Furrow" paper from JD, but they gave up after 15 years of Deere-free farming)

P.S. i hope that i remember the numbers correctly, but the difference will be less than 3%

[F6L913]

this is aDeutz 2013 engine.

[kenjar]

Hey RmarkV,

Good idea, you want to be sure that the powertrain will handle the increased horsepower.

Hey F6L913,

How do the watercooled engines compare to the aircooled ones? I am talking durability, economy, etc.
The inline air diesels have been good here. We have had some problems with the BF8L513's.

[F6L913]

Hey Kenjar,

I fall in love with the Deutz air cooled engines many years ago. For me is the best engine. I have one in my combine and i do 12000 hours with it. Never had a problem. Only belts, oil and filters. The water cooled are better designed and it have hight pesure injection with single injection-pump unit. Very few 1013 and 2013 here but the Fendt's and deutz owners are happy with them. Deutz will introduce the 914 series soon, with high pressure injection system.

Don't know about 513's because Deutz-Fahr spain don't sell 4080 and 4090, so i don't know about it. The 413's V8 are very good. I know one in a combine with 15000 hours and no problems.

[eppie]

Quite old-fashioned, arent they?? inlet and exhaust ports on the same side of the head?? that takes extra intercooler capacity.

Hey, how do you like my father's D18 ? We had it in the late sixties. Pictures of my brother's D50 will follow some day.
pub31.bravenet.com/photocenter/view.php?img=25513&usernum=2643203945

[kenjar]

I have always liked the Deutz, the 06 series were some good tractors.

Hey F6L913,
Is the 914 to be aircooled as well? Sounds like a continuation of the 912/913 series.

Renze, I like those old Deutz models. Nice looking tractors for there times. Who's getting the free ride in the photo?

[Laapa]

A thought on Fandt hp.

Since they use the Vario-transmission they should be able to get more hp out of a smaller engine than they otherwise would. Low end torque of the engine becomes less important ant they can run the engine at optimum RPM for most of the time.
Check out the powercure of a Fendt varo compared to a JD. The JD curve is much "flatter".
Perhaps this means they can actually get the hp they need from the engine.

An old rule says: a good set of gears is just an excuse for a poor engine.
Don't know if I agree but there is definately a point to it!

As for Deutz engines...
Peaharvestingseason will start any day now so I'm gonna climb into the old FMC cab and listen to the sweet song of an Aircooled deutzengine screaming less than 3 feet away for the reminder of the summer!

www.fmcheroes.tk

[eppie]

Hey Kenjar,

The free ride behind the D18 is my oldest brother, Gerlant. Our english speaking overseas family break their tongue over that name, so they all call him Harland. (is that a usual name out there ??)

He (Harland) is now 30, and 6 when that photo was made. So that picture is 24 years old.

About the old fashioned Deutz V8: on the V8, V10 and V12 they didn't have much choice. The cooler fan is in the middle, cooling exhausted gases isn't useful, and when the inlet is there, it will still be warmed by cooling air.

[F6L913]

Hello everybody.

Renze:

I think this pic is from the first Deutz air-cooled engine, built in 1944. Not many changes with the 413 and 513.
Yes, the blower is in the middle of the engine but it's gear drived and there're two blowers, not one. They're contrarotating, each blower blow one side of the V. As i said before the 413 are very good, not sure about the 513. many american farmers don't like the 413's and 513's on their Gleaners. The air-cooled engine can work at hight temp. Is normal temperature 130 or 140 C for a Deutz engine. My alarm lights at 165 C.

Kenjar:

Yes, the 914 is an air-cooled engine and will replace the 912/913. Deutz will built in 3-4-5-6 cylinders and will have the same measurements as the 912/913 series, so will be easy to upgrade to 914.

www.deutz.de/info/deutzag/pi/pm-e-130.htm

[kenjar]

F6L913;
I wasn't aware there was a F5L913 till the other day. The 3,4 and 6 cylinder models were popular here. Is the F2L912 still available? A friend had a model D3607 he boasted about.

Renze;
Agreed, a V-type engine limits you to where you can place things compared to an inline.
Gerlant would be an unusual here. A person named Harland would be easier to find.