How popular were the terracotta colored NHs??

[Woodbeef]

Back in the old days(pre-CNH Global that is)when you could buy your NH tractor in Ford Blue or Fiat Terracotta,how popular were the terracotta ones compared to the same ones but in blue??

[leemsutton]

Greetings woodbeef - how goes it?

Fiat vs NH colours over here was by no means even. If you were a fiat fan then they stayed with the Fiat colours and lik ewise if you were a NH fan.

Obviously NH blue was the outright winner as they were far more popular.

I drove a Fiat 140 for a short period of time and could not wait to get off it. It was horrible and nosiey and very basic inside. The main tractor I was using at the time was a 8340 sle which compared to the Fiat was like a porsche!

After the merger I have only ever seen the big 86-89 series in Fiat brown but never seen the smaller ones like the 8360 etc.

Sorry if there are any Fiat fans reading this - I just did not like it! For your interest I think it was a 1994 model.

Lee

[eppie]

Hi,

The same thing in Holland: most of them are blue, few are terracotta at Fiat fans. New costomers (who had no NH before) all choose blue.

At the contractor i worked with a guy who used to be Fiat fan. He said the Winner series (probably the 140 you were talking about) had far less quality than older models from late eighties.

goed goan, Renze

[paddyland]

only ever came across 60/M series nothing much else never seen TS models. The reason for it in a lot of areas was that when New Holland was established the Ford dealers got the dealership. Well thats what i think happened. No someone who used a Winner 115 and said it could pull like a train was a bit crowded in the cab but had some good features

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Well Woodbeef.

Here in Denmark, Ford (NH) have been leading in sales for almost 30 years. At the time when Fiat took over Ford New Holland in 91 the share between them was 27% for Ford and about 13% Fiatagri, and it was one of the few markets were both Fiat and Ford were strong. There are many M series NH in the terracotta painting driving here as well as G series (Ford 70 series), but I havent seen Ts series here. When the Tm series was Launch in late 99, I saw a Tm150 at my local NH dealer in the terracotta paint, and the dealer told me that this was the very last one he could get in the terracotta livery.
I think its a good issue you have brought up, as I think some southeuropean farmers, would find it hard to change to the blue onces?.

JH DENMARK

[Xavier]

Hello, here in Catalonia the terracota was best sold than the blue NH, only when NH puts all in blue it was the winner.

Many TN in terracota, M is too popular, and TS in terracota there are a few but more than blue.

Now all is different TN blue, TM blue, TS blue.

For the old there were more Fiat than Ford, Fiat 640 was popular, 100-90, 145-90, 130-90, there are a lot and Ford there are a few (in my town 3-5).

The Winner don't have very good fame.

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Yeah, Xavier is right. Fiatagri sold much more tractors than Ford in Spain. It´s still very easy to see "terracotta" tractors ploughing (specially (80, 90 and winner Series) . In the 80´s and 90´s Fiat was very popular in Spain. I hadn´t listened bad things about them until I begun to buy British or American books.
Ányway, one thing is for sure the Fiatagri dealership was bigger than the Ford´s one. Fiatagri "powered" the amount of Laverda combines sold although they never sold as many as Clayson...

There are quite a lot of brown NH. Indeed now we just can see blue NH because of the Group decission

[Laapa]

Hmmm, were there ever anyhardcore-Fiat(agri)s sold in Ford blue color? Or just the other way around?

[eppie]

Yes, there were blue painted fiats. Some small series, i think the 66 or so.

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According to Stuart Gibbard's Ford Tractor Story Part 2, three models from the Fiat 66S series were sold as Ford 35 Series, top model being the 56-66S which was rebadged as the 4135.

86 Series narrow and low profile models were sold in the USA as Series 30 models.

High Clearance versions of the 70-66S and 80-66S were sold as Ford 5560 and 6530 in the US.

He also has a photo of a Brazilian manufactured 160-90 that is badged as a Ford-NH 8630. At the time, they were selling Ford Series 10 and the bigger Fiat  -90s as their range in that market. They now sell TL and TM models to the best of my knowledge.

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Seems strange to sell a blue Fiatagri 160-90 as a NH Ford 8630, because of the previous Ford series 30 - 86/87 and 8830. But your right as a got the book myself - great thing for a true blue like me...........

JH DENMARK

[Red_Painter]

The question I have is how powerful, durable, and well built are Fiat designed tractors as well as other Italian made tractors like the Same and Landini compared to tractors of Ford, CIH,  John Deere and other makes. In the past I always thought Italian tractors like the Fiat, Same and Landini with their early use of front wheel drive were good tractors. Reading posts on American sites I've read some criticism of different models of these makes as well as some good  comments. Of course how a tractor is used is critical too and I've heard that varies from country to country. Maybe someone could comment on the Deutz Fahr tractors as they seem to have had, by the opinion of some, a better reputation at one time for durability of transmission etc. though the present reputation may be good. I thought their buying of Allis Chalmers would be a good thing for AC, but it seems that the AC had the high tech tractor which was not built after the Milwaukee factory was closed down. There are AC enthusiasts still mad about that. Those were really hard times for Ag machinery companies. Alot of those dealers with combined NH/ Agco dealerships seem to sell mostly Genesis tractors which seem to have a very good reputation.

[eppie]

Hi,

A few Same examles, i wont say they're real bad, make your own judgement.

At the contractor where my brother works, they have had, next to the Fendt 600 series, one Same, i think it was an Antares 130. Its engine blew up, because they couldn't stop it anymore. it ran over 3000 rpm, and finally it blew up.

A farmer in my area had a Same 80 hp, then bought a new Same Silver 90. I havent seen that Same for  a year, he now has a Deutz old model DX, its older than that Same was.

A classmate told me about someone he knows, he had a Same with three step powershift, it suddenly blocked, in the middle of the town, with a big bang. Dealer could'nt find it, importer sent it by train to the factory in Italy, and the guy who told me havent seen that tractor anymore since then.

Because of these stories, you could at least say their name is not so good. (anymore)

About the Deutz: they all use ZF transmissions, like Fendt 500, 600 and 800, McCormick 1455 and Steyr.

Fendt dealer say that the Fendt 500 trannies are better than the versions of the Steyr 9100 series.

[F6L913]

Hey Renze.

I think not all Deutz-Fahr tractors have ZF tranny. The Agrolux and Agroplus looks like a Same and the Agrotron 165-175-200 i think it's not ZF. The front axle is DANA so the tranny could be another brand than ZF.

[eppie]

Yes, you're right, the 165 to 200 agrotrons use SAME 9 step powershift, the 230 and 260 with torque converter.
And the small models agroplus and agrolux are rebadged and re-engined Same's.

Or do you consider them to be a real Deutz ??

I'm sure those things cant keep up with our D50 with F4L712 Diesel.... Same is poisoning the name Deutz, i'd say.

b.t.w. You have a really nice logo!

Should i use the cutaway picture of the Zetor 3001 3cyl. engine??

Greetings Renze.