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Post by Woodbeef on Mar 8, 2002 13:21:24 GMT 1
Ahh.......but Laapa my friend. Over here Valtra does carry tractors on dealers lots. Since they are a newer brand they must have some around for customers to demo. Also not everyone wants to wait for their own tractor to be built. I guess it comes from the other dealers having tractors sitting around all of the time.
Well not quite......Valtra would sooner build from customer orders,the others would sooner build from dealer stock orders. That way the majors have a better idea of how to keep the unionised workforce busy!!
The big problem with 5 or 10 tractors sitting on the dealer's lot is none of them are equipped the way you want them!! I'm not overly impressed with field installed accesories on pick-up trucks,so I can only imagine on tractors.
The tractors over here seem to be either stripper or full-blown,no in between. The dealers are also floor planning those tractors,so they want you to buy them,not order one just like them,but with different options.
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Post by Jack_D_Kid on Mar 9, 2002 0:28:36 GMT 1
hi ya's
i've been flat out to get back to this but i'll give JD 10 out of 10 for brain washing yes JD will build any tractor ya want but try down specing it !! what ya see is the bottom line of most builders, valtra do have a hitec that ya can add to but ya can also get lower speced if ya want ..as someone said JD tryed a low speced 8000 but noone wanted one if they tryed a low spec 6000 they would be in for a shock ...
catch ya
JD Kid
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Post by eppie on May 21, 2002 13:35:32 GMT 1
The JD 6000 and 6010 are with 4 speedranges and 3 speeds in America, and in Europe with 5 ranges and 4 powershift (40km/h), 6 ranges and 4 ps 50 kmh/ and autoshift. Those are quite some transmission options. The 4/3 tranny wont sell in Europe.
Zetor has the option of mechanical splitter, pneumatically operated, since 1972 on the UR1 (now Super and Major models). I would definately buy one with this option, but there are none available second hand.
In Germany, even the smallest 45/50 hp 3320 have it as standard spec.
The first UR3 (later Forterra) models were sold in the U.K. mostly with 8F/8R trannie. Those will be worth nothing in the Netherlands.
That is exactly the bug with low and high spec tractors: What if you want to sell them after 5 years?? will the overspec tractor pay back its extra new value?? Will you be able to sell the downspec tractor??
Sometimes its cheaper to buy a less downspeced tractor, because the higher speced tractor will hold its value longer.
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Post by HPP on May 21, 2002 15:24:23 GMT 1
There has been many efforts during the years to offer downspec Fendts. Impossible! The farmer who has his thoughts on buying a Fendt wants to have it all!
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Post by eppie on May 21, 2002 15:38:35 GMT 1
Yes, the dealer said most of his customers will prefer to buy a 312 six cylinder instead of a 412 vario, but the 311 and 312 are no longer made.
What about the Fendt 303, 304 and 305?? the 305 had the same power (4cyl) than the 307 with 3cyl turbo.
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Post by paddyland on May 21, 2002 17:26:14 GMT 1
Dont forget the basic John Deere SE seies tractors as a basic alternative
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Post by eppie on May 21, 2002 19:57:45 GMT 1
And Massey sold the old 300 series for a long time.
And Case sold the 856, 1056 and 1455 a few years next to the maxxum.
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Post by HPP on May 22, 2002 8:17:56 GMT 1
OK, so I have to agree with you guys to one point!
If the Fendt 500-range would be awailable today, as an alternative to the 700:s, it would be sold in large numbers, that´s for sure. But that wouldn´t be a downspec 700. The guys who want a 700 will have it all.
Renze : A little Fendt history:
From the beginning of the 300:s there was
303 - 3-cyl. 52 Hp,
304 - 3-cyl. 58 Hp, those two were basically the same tractor.
305 - 4-cyl. 62 Hp,
306 - 4-cyl. 70 Hp, as were those two (I would say identical).
308 - 4-cyl. 78 Hp, and
309 - 4-cyl. Turbo 86 Hp.
In -84 or -85 the 307 showed up. 3-cyl Turbo 70 Hp. This one we called "The GTI of tractors" (Referring to the VW Golf of course).
In the years there were some changes on the different models. So the 305 became the rear end of the 304 (drum brakes and some other stuff).
The 307 and eventually the 306 were juiced up to 75 Hp, the 309 to 90, and so on.....
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Post by eppie on May 22, 2002 18:43:14 GMT 1
HPP, I never saw a 306. Are they made for a short period?? Ore were they just less popular
goed goan, Renze
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Post by HPP on May 23, 2002 7:59:10 GMT 1
Hey Renze,
the 306 was there from the very beginning of the 300-range. If I remember correctly 1980 (presented first late fall -79). I think it was one of the most popular model of this range and it was made parallell to the 307 until the mid -90:s. At this time we still had the discussion if it should be a three- or fourcylinder engine in a 70 Hp tractor. There was a big difference between different countries. In Sweden the 306 were sold in quite large numbers, 307 not that many. In Norway they more or less switched to the 307 as soon as this model was available. The danes, if my memory doesn´t fail, preferred the 306. The most spectacular thing about the 300-range, I think, is that the 309 still is the most sold tractor-model in Germany. I´m not sure but I think it has been since 1980!
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Post by eppie on May 23, 2002 19:55:04 GMT 1
Hey, i saw a 306 today... It was owned by a cilvil contractor, to transport a small tracked excavator with which they mowed and cleaned out ditches.
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Post by paddyland on May 27, 2002 13:22:09 GMT 1
But what about if the 700 series were available with the 500 series transmission not everyone wants stepless. The majority of Fendt users are high spec operatives but what about those who just want it for transport and general work or for livestock farms who may not want lots of gismos.
Did the 312 and 512 have much of a difference towards the end apart from looks and price?
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Post by eppie on May 27, 2002 13:34:32 GMT 1
The 500 had a well-known ZF transmission with 4 powershift steps and an MWM engine. The 300 have MWM engines too, and a Fendt/ZF 21 speed transmission. 2 ranges x 3 speeds x splitter gears makes 18 field gears, plus 3 independent high speed transport gears. makes a total of 21 speeds. The rear bridege of the 300 was totally different than the 700, it had a portal rear axle.
i dont know about the rear bridge of the 500.
Renze
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Post by HPP on May 28, 2002 8:03:32 GMT 1
OK, here goes. A little Fendt-history again, and a little Fendt-dreaming.
The 300:s had (actually have!) a Fendt-transmission. 21/6, or, as an option 21/21 in the later years.
This was a Hermann Fendt development (This is important ´cause this is tractor history!). In "The Fendt-house" the 300:s are considered the very last one of Hermanns Babies. (I even find myself unpolite to call him Hermann - it should be Doctor Fendt!). It also have a portal rear axel.
The 500:s had a ZF/Fendt development as far as transmission goes. 44/44 gears. And a portal axel.
So, what about the 700:s with a 500-gearbox. Yes! Either that or the 500:s with the 700-engine. It would be very welcomed by many, I assure you!
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Post by eppie on May 28, 2002 13:52:33 GMT 1
Why that silly undersized Deutz in it?? Yes, i agree that the latest MWM six engines had some head gasket trouble, but why that Deutz engine?? as far as i hear, they are nothing than trouble.
By the way: wasn't that guy called Xaver Fendt?? or is Hermann Fendt his son??
They better re-introduce the 600 series instead. There's not much difference in price and technology between a 500 and a 700. The contractor where my brother works would be definately buyer for a new 600 series tractor. Most of their tractors are still old 600's, they are just easier to maintain. They have about 7x 600, 1x 500, 1x 400, 3x 300
most of those guys there all prefer the old 600's.
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