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Post by HPP on May 28, 2002 15:11:23 GMT 1
The version of the Deutz-engine that is used in the 700:s is a beautiful engine. Lots of power! No trouble at all so far.
And then a little more Fendt-history:
Once there was a blacksmith in the small town called Marktoberdorf in Bavaria. No, seriously. This blacksmith had three sons, Xaver, Hermann and Paul. Xaver and Hermann made the first Fendt, a grassmower with four wheels and a 6 Hp gasoline engine (or was it 4 Hp?). I think this was in 1926 or so. Some two years later they made the first Fendt with a diesel engine, 2 Hp stronger than the first one. Since it was to take the job from the horse and since horse is called Ross in Bavarian dialect, they named their tractor "Dieselross".
This name stuck with the tractors for many years. There were som Fendts imported to Sweden in the early fifties, but the farmers who were active then never remembers them as Fendts. They all recall them as Dieselrosses.
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Post by eppie on May 28, 2002 15:28:54 GMT 1
Wasn't the 400 series the 4 cyl variant of the 700 series?? They say no power for the 411. it also had to replace the engine (at manufacturers cost, luckily) <br>
Heh, heh... What happens to Fendt is the same as what happens to Harley in the eighties: They think they are soo good of themselves, that they become less carefull, so that they make mistakes.
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Post by leemsutton on May 28, 2002 17:38:46 GMT 1
Wow,
This is a great thread, well done laapa for starting it in march. Up till now I'd ignored it as the title put me off, but today I had some time on my hands so I read through it.
Renze - your wrong about CASE IH running the 856, 956, 1056, 1255 along side th emaxxum range. The only one that continued till stocks ran out was the 1455 in XL version. Well thats what our local dealer told us.
Generally though I would have to agree with Woodbeef here. I think we all agree that machinery prices are exspensive so if there were varying different options then everybody would be able to find exactly what they wanted, and nobody could complain about the price they were paying. Me for one would go basic spec everytime as all the machinery does is loose money. The more money you keep in the bank account the better off you are.
Take our 75e for instance - it basically an engine sat on top of 2 tracks with a gear box attached to it. There is no fancy suspension or climate control or navigation system or anything like that. It is just a pure pulling tractor with a limited use. If we had bought a deere or new cat with navigation etc - it would not earn us any more money would it?
It would still sit in the shed for 6 months of the year depreciating.
However I dont want those of you out there that want all the extra's to be upset so different spec versions are the way forward.
Woodbeef for president?
Lee
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Post by kenjar on May 28, 2002 20:37:27 GMT 1
I would agree with you Lee. Why don't the companies offer a basic model and then offer options to suit each purchasers own taste? This way at least you could buy what you need.
Valtra has a good idea, building to fit the customers needs. This way when something is built, it is sold as well, not sitting on some dealers lot.
Woodbeef for president? Any suggestions as to which country?
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Post by eppie on May 28, 2002 20:50:24 GMT 1
Leemsutton;
I'm pretty sure we had not just the 1455 next to the maxxum, but also the 856 and 1056. i think the importer mounted turbo's on the 1056 to fill the gap between 1056 and 1455.
Another thing: why would Valmet be awarded to be the first to build to customers demand?? read my first posts on this topic..
And: Woodbeef is invited to become president of FROTS[Farmers Republic Of the Steernbos]
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Post by kenjar on May 28, 2002 23:13:52 GMT 1
Renze,
Sorry about not mentioning Zetor, hey but everyone knows they offer a good product at a fair price. However,Zetor distributors do not offer the same options to all countries. I think they do this to keep from having to stock so many different parts.
If Woodbeef gets elected president of FROTS maybe Renze you could be the Dutch ambassador.
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Post by eppie on May 29, 2002 21:30:00 GMT 1
Hey, Kenjar, the Steernbos is the forest/area i live in. So i wont be the Dutch ambassador, cause
"ICH BIN EIN STEERNBOSTER"
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Post by Laapa on May 31, 2002 15:21:34 GMT 1
Forgot about this post myself for a coulpe of months.
Hey LeeMSutton, sorry if the title wasn't the best. Sounds a bit over-ambitious to me as well by now.
Anyways... Renze, the Harley Davidsson comparisson is pretty interesting.
If I remember correctly (I could be way off here, please correct me if so) HD was for some years in the 1980's sold to Bowling-appliances-manufacturer AMF. They pretty much ran it into the grave by building poor bikes and also putting the HD name on all sorts of stull like Snowmobiles and Golfcarts (do they still make those?).
Now we have FENDT belonging to AGCO and the name appears on Combines and perhaps soon forageharvesters. Hmmm...
Johanna Herlevi for first Lady!!!
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Post by eppie on May 31, 2002 20:48:42 GMT 1
I'd like to see a long bearded, leather wearing Hells-Angel on a golfcart!
P.S. Kenjar: if you demand for it, you will get it from Zetor. A creeper gear, shuttle shift, pneumatic multipower are current options. And what about the sixties: halftrack, low gravity 2wd, low gravity mfwd, row crop, and more of that.
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Post by kenjar on May 31, 2002 21:09:13 GMT 1
Renze,
I want a 11441 with a CVT trans. I won't need it till next year, hey, you can bring it with you when you come to Canada. Meet you at Woodbeefs, maybe Jon Bos can join us as well.
Laapa,
If Johanna Herlivi is to be the first lady, Woodbeef will have alot of competion for President of Steernbos.
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Post by eppie on Jun 1, 2002 13:20:14 GMT 1
Hey Kenjar,
I guess we just have to wait till they have restored their 130-200 hp range, then they will have time and money. Do you really want a 11441? if you buy one, please let me know how it rides.
Jon Bos: Buy a ZTS 16245 !
16/8 hi-lo
105-160 hp
hydraulics as you want. (standard 2, i think)
Woodbeef:
I, as a Steernbos citizen, do not promise you my vote if Johanna Herlevi is your opponent..
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To all of you: HTC (the new holder of Zetor) has not taken over ZTS-Tees. They just own Povaszke Strojarne, the company what builds the transmissions for ZTS. (but ZTS is near to bankrupt, so it wont take long)
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Admin, you better place some IF's in that article...
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Post by kenjar on Jun 1, 2002 19:18:34 GMT 1
Renze,
How long before HTC adds ZTS? By the end of the year you think?
As for the 11441, I would like to see one. I am interested to see what 6cyl models are to be offered in this series as well. What engines are going to be available besides the Lambo?
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Post by eppie on Jun 2, 2002 14:57:43 GMT 1
HTC aims to make Zetor technically independent (except for a hitch computer from Bosch and perhaps the Carraro front axle) so i think they will come with their own six cylinder based on the current Forterra 4cyl.
P.S. personally i doubt if they will sell it with a Lambo/SAME engine. I think they make a start with their own engine, that's why we have to wait till early 2003 for the 11741, when the 10741 and 11441 are expected in the Netherlands in August.
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